Random EV thoughts.....

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262419#Comment_120262419

https://www.plugshare.com/location/198619

https://www.plugshare.com/location/35198

And some others

veryangryman

Weird it doesn't show up on esbs map

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262656#Comment_120262656

The pictures is from esb app check your filters

Busman Paddy Lasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262419#Comment_120262419

ESB Carrick-on-Shannon HPC hub at Lunney's service station is in Roscommon too.

innrain

I have an odd one and I'm pondering what action shall I take so asking for the wisdom of others.

I have footage of a DLR CoCo employee unplugging my car from one of their park chargers. He leaves the unconnected side of the cable in the wet grass in the rain. It is a rolec charger and it seems the locking pin must have been forced out. While this is an un excusable act, I'm not interested in pursuing this angle. I'm more interested in understanding why he does this. Does he thinks he's punishing me for some rule he thinks I broke or simply hating EVs in general. Shall I approach him directly or go to his superiors

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262793#Comment_120262793

Just to be 100% sure, he unplugged you from a public charger? It wasn't reserved for council employees or anything?

Either way I'd definitely complain to the council. I'm just asking so as to know whether to get on my high horse and start yelling at you 😉

Even if you weren't allowed to be charging there, that doesn't give them the right to potentially damage your car or charging equipment.

They have enforcement mechanisms for dealing with abuse of parking spaces (and chargers) which is to fine and clamp the vehicle

You don't see council workers going around smashing windows on cars that overstay their parking time (I hope)

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262834#Comment_120262834

It is my local park, were I run, my kids play, we meet friends and so on. It is a public car park with a bank of chargers. it happened at 12:30 pm yesterday.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/305435

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262948#Comment_120262948

Yeah definitely sounds like the council guy was being a prick

Like I said, even if he had some justifiable reason for telling you not to charge there, it's not okay to unplug your car and dump the cable on the ground

Buddy Bubs

Does the charger cable not lock to the car? How did he physically remove it?

MightyMunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262419#Comment_120262419

Use plugshare to find chargers, if you're not leaving Roscommon you probably don't need a charger, plenty on all main routes in and out of the county

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263021#Comment_120263021

The charger side. Seems it was forced out and can be unplugged. The cable still remains locked at the car side.

JohnC.

If he forced it maybe he damaged the charge point too, which is another thing they may be interested in if they have to pay to get it fixed.

Alkers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262152#Comment_120262152

That's BS, who doesn't have the time to plug the car in each night, tethered cable (or leave your cable plugged in) and it's literally ten seconds. Most decent PHEVs your saving like a 5er day if you use the whole battery in place of fuel - they're designed to be used every day, with the engine for anything outside the typical daily mileage.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263493#Comment_120263493

Agree with you, that's what they are for. Gotta agree with @the_amazing_raisin too though, I never see any PHEV in my estate plugged in. Although funnily enough, they all got their (nearly) free charge point install 🙄

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263595#Comment_120263595

I plug mine in when it's needed, usually 3 times a week. Don't know what the "nearly" free charge point is though 🤔 I got mine the same way as everybody else,paid 1100 over the phone and a few weeks later got 600 back from the grant.

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120262948#Comment_120262948

How long were you charging for? Was the car actively charging when he plugged it out?

I assume those Rolec chargers have an eStop button, perhaps that releases the lock on the charger side allowing it to be removed safely.

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263760#Comment_120263760

I was there for 2-3 hours. Charging stopped at 63%. I could probably determine the exact time when I parked from the dash cam but I'm not aware of any time limits except the opening and closing times. The rolecs don't have EMO. On the video it can be seen coming out from a dlr parks vehicle and angrily pulling out the cable. I can't see if he does the same to other cars. Anyway I was looking more into how to deal with. I think a one to one discussion is not really going to go well so it is either let it go or formal

Redfox25

Send an email in with the attached video to the council and let them deal with it

rodneytrotter15

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263946#Comment_120263946

I have to say I admire you diplomacy here I would be fuming and wouldn't be letting this go.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263493#Comment_120263493

I agree with you, but like I said most of the PHEV owners in my area apparently don't

Perhaps I'm doing them a disservice and they're all plugging in at work or shops, or they go out at night to plug them in and unplug before dawn

I'm just stating my observations based on what I'm seeing on a regular basis, and I suspect I'm not the only one who has seen that

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120263760#Comment_120263760

The Rolec charge point they are using is primarily designed for workplace charging it's likely they don't lock the cable at the cp side. I think the original ones at Kildare worked the same way.

Alkers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264066#Comment_120264066

No hassle.

I do recall a study regarding early PHEVs in the UK and the majority of them not being plugged it at all. However, that study was heavily influenced by the number of Outlander PHEVs which were provided as company vehicles, often the users didn't have charge points at home but the vehicles still made FINANCIAL sense for the companies because of their favourable tax treatmetns and LEZs etc.

If people are really sacrificing battery range for the hassle of not plugging in, they really are a lost cause! How can we expect people to reduce their personal emissions, clean food packaging etc if 10 seconds plugging in a car is too much effort for them!

munchkin_utd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120264789#Comment_120264789

if you have a company car you may have a fuel card that fills the car in a couple of minutes at the company expense or you can plug it in at home at your expense. Would you really pay for electric fuel by plugging in the car to your domestic meter if you had petrochemical fuel from your company for free ?

The side effect of allowing plug in hybrids as company cars is that these cars will soon enough filter down to the second hand market and THEN be plugged in by a normal private driver who doesnt have a fuel card for unlimited free petrol.

The problem is, if the company car tax benefits are removed from plugin hybrids its just as possible that the staff member will go for full petrol again if they havent a way of charging it for free - and then the second hand market in a couple of years just has more pure petrol or diesel cars than if the government (/ green parties across europe) were to let plugin hybrids have some sort of benefit in kind advantage.

unkel

That's the reason that plug in hybrids should never have got any subsidy or special treatment. What a waste of tax payers' money.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265127#Comment_120265127

You could also argue that the grant meant some people bought petrol phevs instead of a diesel, which at least benefited urban air quality, even if they were never plugged in. Grants will always have an element of waste or deadweight built in, eg many people buying EVs would do so in the absence of the current grant so it could be argued that a blanket EV grant payable to all is also is a waste of taxpayer money. For many the grant means they will tick expensive options which they would otherwise do without, one of the main reasons why the 'Paddy spec' was developed to counter the prohibitive vrt charged on ICE optional extras. So yea grant aiding PHEVS may not be the most effective use of scarce resources, but that could be levelled on almost subsidies to a greater or lessor extent.

unkel

That's why I am pretty much against all subisdies, @creedp 😂

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265708#Comment_120265708

And phev's regardless of how they're driven. Any chance of clarifying your "almost free charge point ' comment ?

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265849#Comment_120265849

I installed charger in garage so was charged only €150 on top of grant to install, pretty much 'almost free' in my case. In any case the grant will more than cover the cost of most EV chargers so essentially the chargers are free.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265849#Comment_120265849

Well not sure what unkel was on about, but you can get the QuBev EV charger for around €275 from Amazon. So if you can get the installation for around €325 then the charger is effectively free after the grant

Not sure if the requirement for a smart charger has come in yet and the QuBev charger won't qualify for that

However you could always get a Zappi installed with the grant, then sell the Zappi almost new for €800, buy a dumb charger and pocket the difference. The you'd have an almost free charger, if you never needed the capabilities of the Zappi

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120265988#Comment_120265988

So is this another example of a grant being a waste of taxpayer's money🤔

In any case the grant is intended to be a contribution to the installation of an EV charger and in reality has resulted in serious inflation in electrician rates, especially for those specialist EV charger installer electricians. Another completely expected response to grants/subsidies