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Irish rail fleet and infrastructure plans

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Were they training people how to deal with the scumbags who terrorise passengers on some late evening commuter routes? 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Looks like they heard you;

    So this, along with the seats replacement tender, means they are looking to get a good few more years out the of 29ks yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,604 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    hah - there'll be another tender for "walls" and then one for "doors". They'll be the triggers broom of the IR fleet 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Ireland trains


    An artist’s impression in modern railways (Jan 23) of a BEMU unit has a purple shape with commuter branding on it.

    Are all the new trains not to be branded as DART?

    Planned livery will be finalised in 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    It's all the more amusing (no, it isn't) when you consider that in terms of Transport for Ireland branding, purple is the colour of the Luas. Rail is orange there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    I remember reading somewhere about the potential configuration of the 22000's once the 41 new carriages are all mixed into the existing fleet. However I can't seem to recall where I seen it before. Anyone here know what that is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭Economics101


    AFAIK, the 5 car sets will become 6-car, some of the 3 car will remain and some go to 4 car. Some 4 car may go to 6. Don't have exact numbers.

    The number of trainsets will remain the same as there are no extra end (driver) cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭p_haugh



    Some of the 7-car sets will be split up as a result, right? That will effectively allow some extra configurations as that'll free up the coupled 3-car and 4-car sets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,721 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Some sets that currently operate in multiple will instead operate on their own, which will mean more services can be operated.

    A six-car set could replace two x 3-car units for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,835 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    I could off a little but they will look something like 10 (PC) x 6, 10 x 6, 26 x 4 and 17 x 3.

    Would like the old numbered units back on the old units where possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,885 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Do you have a pic of this proposed purple livery? What is the purple shape on it. I haven't seen it anywhere online yet.

    I thought this heavy rail livery would have been in coloured in Orange. So why did the NTA use purple? The original TFI Branding guidelines document from a few years back had put the purple livery for light rail services like Luas and ML.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Will the people who were shouting and roaring for this actually support it? Or have they even travelled in years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    The trolly service is handy , but it's not a big deal when the journey time is short ,

    Get a takeaway coffee at the station before you board and away you go ..

    Although I do think there could be so much opportunity for decent catering on board , and not just an overpriced prewrapped long life sandwich..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I can relate to the idea that some people may object to the idea of services on public transport being removed even though they may not use them. They still get to have an opinion on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    afaik, it's coming back on a trial basis, so if it's not worthwhile I guess it'll disappear again so they'll only have themselves to blame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    An update on the catering services, to be starting early April on selected cork-dublin services before being expanded to all cork-dublin services "over the following weeks".

    Operator of it is the sister company to the catering provider on the enterprise.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I for one welcome the return of bland food and lukewarm tea at airport prices!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭d51984


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    Is this the image you are referring to? Looks more like a new Enterprise tbh. Regarding the interior fabric on these new trains it will be the same as all new buses and coaches that are recently been introduced across the country, It will be the TFI standard moquette, bit like the 90s when evrything on buses and the Dart was green, still is on the Dart I know.

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    Its a disgrace Joe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭Economics101


    TFI (aka the customer face of the NTA) putting it uniform brand and design on everything. Operating companies will have no identity with the all-powerful NTA headed by the dreaded Ms Graham.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭d51984


    I disagree, We have come a hell of a long way in the last few years, Reduced fares, new Hybrid and all electric buses, tons and tons of new services including a lot of local link ones. Bus connects (driver shortages causing a problem I know) new Liffey Valley interchange, 24 hour bus routes. A hell of a lot more coming all over the country not Just Dublin.

    The days of Dublin bus, Bus Eireann and Irish rail providing services to suit their employees and not the general public are well and truly gone. I think the new yellow and green bus and coach livery looks fantastic as does the new bus stops with lots of information on them.

    New bus routes like the N4 and N6 and the 24 hour ones such as the 15 are bloody fantastic, We just have to start kicking Irish rails asses in to gear now, we are getting there, slowly but surely.

    Its a disgrace Joe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Tender has been published for the replacement of the seat reservation system found in the 22000s, about time!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    they now actually need to start enforcing the reservations and things will be grand.

    won't hold my breath on that one though.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The branding and colour scheme look awful too, like it was designed by the same people who design GAA jerseys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,276 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Any chance of adding coaches to the 5:55am ex Limerick, it is packed by the time it gets to Galway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Once the new ICR carriages start getting brought into service, there'll likely be some reallocation/reorganisation within the IE fleet. Don't know if it would affect the 2800s that much however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the new coaches probably won't effect the 2800s in all honesty.

    realistically the ICR fleet being released from the heuston suburban is the only chance of helping the WRC.

    i know from personal unfortunate experience that the 2800s are horrid old hulks but unfortunately you are likely stuck with them for a good while yet sadly.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    I know some of the ICR carriages have arrived but are they waiting until the full order is here to start rejigging the existing formation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    They'll start regigging the existing formation once the new carriages have completed all the required post-delivery tests etc. and are ready for passenger service. I believe the majority of the 41 carriages have been delivered, so they may all be here before they start getting put into service.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    As I speculated before, new BEMUs ordered are unlikely to replace existing DARTs. IÉ have issued a tender for DART Class 8100 EMU Extended Operation Review;

    Once again, they leave the documents open to download;

    IE wishes to commission an independent review of DART EMU Class 8100 fleet and to provide guidance or recommendations to support operation to extend the lifespan. IE is the Entity in Charge of Maintenance for this fleet and holds valid certification from SconRail GmBH to this effect.

    The fleet of 38 x 2 car steel bodied EMUs were manufactured by LHB in Germany and commenced operation in 1984 on the new 1500vDC OHLE services around Dublin.

    The fleet operates in 6 or 8 car coupled formation and accumulates about 120,000km in service per set (annually). The fleet is maintained on a time and distance-based maintenance regime for running maintenance and overhaul at Fairview Depot Dublin and Inchicore Works, Dublin. Bogie overhaul and wheelset overhaul is undertaken in-house at Inchicore Works.

    The Class 8100 fleet received a major half-life refurbishment in Germany in 2006-2008. Refurbishment included interior refresh and heavy maintenance and overhaul on doors, bogies, traction motors, couplers, brake system. Some areas of corrosion were attended to but were not significant.

    New or enhanced systems included flooring, laminated glass, seat material (and improved Cat1b BS Fire certification), PIS, CCTV, OTDR event recorder and sanding. In addition, the original GEC Alsthom traction equipment was completely replaced with a modern Siemens Chopper control traction system. Window frames were completely replaced, and body apertures repaired as necessary when window frames were removed.

    In 2022 the original Servotrol brake system control distributor was replaced on all vehicles by a retrofit replacement with a modern electronic BECU(I2RV model) from the OEM Faiveley Transport. The refurbishment was deemed to require approval from the National Safety Authority under their NRSA Guidelines for the fleet to enter service. In April 2007 the RSC (now CRR) issued a certificate of acceptance for passenger service with certain listed conditions. One condition was that the vehicle life would be 40 years. Recent review of files suggests that the RSC placed this condition on the basis that the expected life was contained in internal IE documents supporting the project. However, there were several life expectancies (design life) set out in the project document and it was not expected that they would result in a service limitation.

    The fleet is required to remain in service for up to 12 more years or 2034. A number of trains have recently suffered from limited bodyside corrosion under the cab door above the solebar section. These are being repaired currently.

    The independent party will also be asked to provide support to IE to seek approval from the CRR for this life extension. 

    Is getting 12 more years out of them realistic? They will have a huge fleet between extending usage of these and the new rolling stock ordered.



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