Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Vuhledar again,these orcs don't learn anything,it's turned into a tank /bmp grave yard 💀💀💀

The Nazis lost WW2 because they found themselves fighting a two front war against opposition who were pressing in from outside the zones of Nazi occupation, not because of resistance from people within the territory they controlled. If the Nazis had opted to consolidate the gains they had made prior to operation Barabarossa and not attacked Russia (at least not right away), I don't think that the various resistance movements throughout Nazi-occupied Europe would have amounted to an overthrow, given the system of repression the Nazis had established and the lengths they were evidently prepared to go to in order to rid themselves of peoples they thought 'undesirable'. And that's not just hypothetical - European colonisation of the Americas has shown that if you kill enough of the locals, their resistance to your rule will wain one way or the other.

I'm not sure what Russia would care for international opinion, even if it is just the opinion of those allies who in turn deal with the West, when you consider what Russia have already been doing to ordinary Ukrainians and the relatively limited blowback over it. Russia has already committed massacres in areas of Ukraine that it controls, or deported locals or just caused them to flee. In that sense, there is an - albeit geographically limited - ethnic cleansing/genocide already underway and international pressure has not isolated Russia to the point where they must change tack. That doesn't fill me with confidence that it would be any different if Russia were ever able to extend this over the whole of Ukraine as opposed to the southern and eastern fringes.

1st denial , Ninja edit

That's the spirit.

seems to be confirmed on many fronts alright. Not good news at all. Probably 72hrs unless something drastic happens.

Aside for venting your anger here on Boards about these Russians "sitting on their hands" while their brother Russians slaughter Ukrainian men women and children, what would you recommend they do ? Because, there's a fair % of them are ardent followers of Putin. ( BTW, I agree with your sentiments) '

I don't get why Russia keeps drip feeding their troops and equipment against heavily fortified Ukrainian positions. 20 tanks and BMP attacking places like Vulhader with a couple of Hundred troops. They all end up destroyed, dead or injured and retreat.

Why not just gather a months worth of attacks into one day and send 500 BMP and tanks along with 10k soldiers at the town. Surely they'd have a better chance of taking it? Their current tactic seems to play into the hands of Ukrainian defenders.

Am I right in saying Soledar only fell because thousands of Wagner's attacked it all at once overwhelming the Ukrainians and forcing a retreat after they'd run out of ammo?

Russian occupation of small pockets like Bakhmut aren't particularly relevant in the long term. When Ukraine puts together a multi-pronged armoured counter-offensive, under safer skies, Russian conscripts will be massacred and routed.

The Ukrainian forces are well trained, will be well equipped and have the strongest motivation known to man. All they need is to break a few strategic corridors and it becomes a mopping up exercise very quickly.

The pro orc propagandists are well and truly in force here.

There was one last night proclaiming the Bakhmut was in danger, but yet here we are and Bakhmut still stands.

Bakhmut has held, and will continue to hold!

Slava Ukrani!

Because to gather such a force would be visible to the US from its surveillance drones and US/NATO intelligence help.

Roll up 3-4 HIMMARs and pop goes the weasel. Basically the HIMMARs would destroy such a force that was gathered together for an attack

Did these links you posted stated anything else ? ... might have missed it

Other than strikes deep inside occupied territory, several weeks before the latest several nights of strikes in the same areas using the same weapons,

Cotton too

The current estimate was 30,000 dead and god only knows how's many injured and incapacitated,for a relatively inconsequential town in Ukraine,it's like it's the only goal they actually have, bakhmut at all costs

I heard a statistic today of 180k casualties and up to 40k dead on the Russian side.

EDIT: Stat was from the UK MoD

The leader of Wagner would probably try to spin it as a double victory to Putin by saying he captured Bakhmut and ridded Russia of 10s of thousands of her convicts in one fell swoop. It does kind of skirt the issue of who Wagner could throw at the next town, however.