Russia - threadbanned users in OP

23-02-2023 12:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277540#Comment_120277540

So even Russians who run anti-Putin websites like Meduza (now based in Riga having being forced out of Russia) are cowards as well?

Bitcoin · 23-02-2023 01:19AM

Never again. NEVER AGAIN.

Bitcoin · 23-02-2023 01:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276378#Comment_120276378

You are correct.

Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union always projected power and looked formidable.

Right up until the moment the two regime's disintegrated.

The West are going to be very caught off-guard when the putler regime collapses.

No one will have predicted it, the talking heads will proclaim it as unprecedented. In reality, it was an inevitability and one or two reading this will remember my words.

23-02-2023 01:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276785#Comment_120276785

Best post I’ve read in this thread in quite a while IMO. Uncomfortable reading maybe for those regular posters here, but true nonetheless. Truth is the majority of the populations of the West don’t care about Ukraine beyond what they see on the 6 o clock news. With one breath they’ll say “Putin’s an absolute b**t**d, something should be done about him”, the next they are wondering what’s for dinner. They might have good intentions, but thats where it stops. As Wibbs says, heroes and revolution starters are an incredibly rare thing.

Bitcoin · 23-02-2023 01:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277469#Comment_120277469

Yep, 100%.

putler acts in their name. He is their strong man and they worship him like the Tsar's of old.

Ordinary Russians are farm animals that are being led to slaughter. The tragedy is that they don't realise it yet.

cnocbui · 23-02-2023 01:42AM

https://twitter.com/SlavaUk30722777/status/1625362042030022657

Can't argue with that.

Jinglejangle69 · 23-02-2023 01:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277670#Comment_120277670

Turned out to be nonsense.

Curious_Case · 23-02-2023 02:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277500#Comment_120277500

What a virtuous person you are.

Now I get it, all those thousands of atrocities must have been carried out by a very few bad apples.

Oh wait

cnocbui · 23-02-2023 02:08AM

Mariupol getting hammered this evening. What joy.

"Mariupol explosions. Chronicles. 22:33 (Kyiv time) the first explosion occurred. A total of 12 explosions were heard. Two of them were definitely the result of the occupants' air defence. It was recorded in the area of the slag mountain on Makar Mazai street and in the fields behind Kurchatov street. A hit at the ammunition depot at Mariupol airport was confirmed with an excellent detonation response. A hit at the occupants' base at the Ilyich Steel Mill 300 (Kalmiusskiy district) has been recorded," Andryushchenko wrote.

According to his information, after the first explosions at 22:57, the occupants lifted planes into the sky. Around 23:00, the lights in the city centre disappeared, then light and communications disappeared near the Right Bank, and communications disappeared on the Left Bank from Azovstal to Solnechny market.

Also during the night, machine gun fire, the sound of signal rockets being launched and the movement of equipment could be heard in the city.

A total of 12 explosions occurred and there were two confirmed hits.

23-02-2023 06:49AM

I’ve zero problem with the invaders being called Orcs, and those taking issue with this are virtue signalling in their own way.

On the other hand those underestimating how very difficult it is to go against a brutal dictatorship where male protestors are arrested and press ganged and female protesters are detained (and almost certainly being brutalised) are being too simplistic.

But, in comparison to the suffering of the Ukrainian people it’s mild, and a distraction. While I have sympathy for the ordinary Russian, they can’t really complain while their country as a whole have committed the worst acts of barbarism, including war crimes, on the continent of Europe since the Nazis.

So, the invading Russians can be called Orcs and worse, and they come from Putin’s Mordor.

greenpilot · 23-02-2023 07:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277182#Comment_120277182

And a pretty good 2c, too. Good points especially if you take into account the almost constant top-down situational awareness given to the Ukranians through AWACS and SIGNIT. Remember, most of Russias IL-96 AWACS allocated to the invasion are still sitting in Belarus, and their SIGNIT capacity is negligible.

greenpilot · 23-02-2023 07:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277482#Comment_120277482

I have a Question, and do excuse me.

Why. Are you the real Dan Breen? Is there another Dan Breen? If I was called Dan, and Breen, could I be real too? Or, are you keeping Dan real until another real Breen comes along.

HOoooOOOO....Are you famous!??

Lol.

Sorry....

Just don't get the whole "real" thing on twitter before a name.

I probably should have done the same.

Would it have mattered to my carreer?

Probably not.

Why are Russian ex-pats so quiet regarding the war. Is it time they were asked this question in countries around the world. Plenty of Russians loudly supporting the war. Little against.

Does fear of Putin have long arms?

greenpilot · 23-02-2023 07:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277712#Comment_120277712

Not going to happen. Logically, they will have zero effect on the overall war, given the variants that could hypothetically be supplied. F-16's are inherently unstable, being the very 1st fly-by-wire fighter jet, with an airframe that is so unforgiving that the ECU is constantly giving inputs to the control surfaces. It takes 6 months to a year to get to grips with it. ( basic flying, Pushing the Envelope, Western Systems, Weapons Systems, Radar work A to A, Radar work A to G, BVR fighting ( however, I doubt an Amraam will ever get to UKR), asymmetrical warfare CAP work, defensive flying, emergency drills etc etc)

Then we have another crew being trained for maintenance which will take Months.

Folks just don't realise whats involved here. A good, well-connected anti-aircraft missile system and coastal system is the way to go here, in every way.

The absolutely only way this will work would be by the Korean War method. Chinese pilots, in N.Korean uniforms, were flying " N.Korean" Mig's.

Here, we could paint up a few F-16 Block A's. ( who's Radar, by the way, would be inferior to the Su's) in Ukranian colours, stick poor Belgian pilots in Ukranian uniforms in them. Then fly a 3-ship CAP. 1 x two seater and two singles. Both armed with a to a and GBU's. The two seater goes high, for top-down overwatch and the other two go hunting. It's It's huge waste of resources and time, in my opinion. Better QRA battalions with fast, powerful Western assets would be better. The Russians cannot fight "shoot and scoot".

You know what, I wouldn't be surprised if A-10's show up instead. There are rumours that many Ukranian pilots have been training on them in the States. That would make much more sense. To me, anyway.

Just think of the damage just one could do....

dennis72 · 23-02-2023 07:59AM

Loads of orcs from moscow/petersburg where I am they "don't want to talk about it" is there answer

Hope putin closes the border tomorrow.

They are awful sickening people full of altitude no shame

Grayson · 23-02-2023 08:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277429#Comment_120277429

For me, in my comfy chair, in a warm apt, tapping away on a keyboard, I can see why Orcs is bad. Russians are people. It's important to remember that. When i hear the nazi's being called monsters I have to disagree because they weren't monsters. They were people, like us, and it's important to remember that. It's important to remember that it's not a creature doing this, it's people making choices.

If however i was in Ukraine, with a foreign army invading, bombing my cities, killing my people, I think Orc would be a very mild thing to call them.

greenpilot · 23-02-2023 08:10AM

Speak of the devil....

https://youtu.be/XbsXdyLDXO8

DrivingMrDaisy · 23-02-2023 08:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276785#Comment_120276785

Brilliant post this.

Every decent human being to a man or woman deplores what Russia is doing to Ukraine but to blame that on every single Russian is such a narrow viewpoint.

fly_agaric · 23-02-2023 08:31AM

@greenpilot

Why are Russian ex-pats so quiet regarding the war. Is it time they were asked this question in countries around the world. Plenty of Russians loudly supporting the war. Little against.

Does fear of Putin have long arms?

I think the world has changed a bit and the "long arms" of states like Russia reach everywhere including deep into the West, in ways they did not before (well, not quite as much anyway), creating a chilling factor.

If you stick your head up publically (post a letter to the paper, post something online under own name, be front and centre at a protest or worse organise a protest!) it is very likely you will be id-ed.

The proportion of the loud and proud Z waving regime supporting scum, added to the quieter war/regime supporters in the Russian expat population could be similar (or greater) that proportion who support the war back at home. Then you have actual goons and spies who report back on your activities because they get paid for it/it is their job!

If you do something public enough/attract enough notice, it may not be great for any family you still have left in Russia (if the regime decides to make an example of them).

Most articles I have read on this sort of subject have been about the CCP/China (e.g.: https://www.dw.com/en/how-china-intimidates-uighurs-abroad-by-threatening-their-families/a-49554977) but I would wonder if Russia behaves any differently? I would doubt it, esp. post Feb last year.

20Wheel · 23-02-2023 08:53AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1u1lXr1vShI

..

paul71 · 23-02-2023 08:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276304#Comment_120276304

Like a bad smell, it washes in with the tide every morning.

More Scutter.

paul71 · 23-02-2023 08:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276317#Comment_120276317

Scutter

Field east · 23-02-2023 09:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277062#Comment_120277062

‘Without fear of repercussion’ - I doubt very much. All it needs is a camera at the front gate and pick out a few for ‘SPECIAL ATTENTION and follow up with an intimidating phone call and the word spreads. So if that happened to you , would you continue on attending? You would want to be a very brave person knowing what the Russians are capable of

Timberrrrrrrr · 23-02-2023 09:21AM

Accident or targeted?

Either way (if true) Russia will blame Ukraine for this.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1628670109488234496?t=kZ8s5-_SEjg_XWh1wNYS5Q&s=19

Wibbs · 23-02-2023 09:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277391#Comment_120277391

It is, if someone wants easy jingoistic responses to complex things or wants to transmit their IQ struggles to hit triple digits.

Wibbs · 23-02-2023 09:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277500#Comment_120277500

It's how wars start and continue and unlike heroes and gamechangers it's not a rare or small percentage in a population and it's a percentage that is all too easily swayed.

Raoul Duke III · 23-02-2023 09:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277694#Comment_120277694

We (the collective West) overwhelmingly approve of what our governments are doing in our name, to support the democratic state of Ukraine which has been illegally invaded by a fascist aggressor state which not only wants to murder Ukraine out of existence but also seeks to assert malign influence over our democracies.

Wibbs · 23-02-2023 09:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277519#Comment_120277519

Yep. Let's face it Russia lost the war last year when they "feinted" from Kiev. They lost the wider European and NATO geopolitic when the sanctions hit and more lined up to join NATO and increase their borders with the foe they claimed they were trying to stop. They lost the war when they tried to take the country. If they had "just" gone for Donbas, did a Crimea Part 2, I reckon they likely would have gotten away with it. Oh there would have been mutterings and some sanctions, but going back to Always Follow The Money, said money would likely have figured it's not worth cutting off energy supplies for just that.

Looking at some recent footage of Ukrainian tanks doing solo runs blasting Russian positions, our own resident tank chappie Manic Moran noted that this was not good practice at all and they were doing what Russians have been doing and it was equally daft. And I obviously take his far more informed and experienced opinion as read. Though one thing stood out about those engagements and where they differ from similar Russian ones; Ukrainian tanks weren't taking hits from AT weapons. In some engagements they were sitting in the open blasting positions over time. This suggests to me, at least in those particular engagements, that the Russians didn't have the wherewithal and the weapons to hit back at what were unsupported tanks, AKA sitting ducks. That and the Ukrainian tankers knew this.

Dufflecoat Fanny · 23-02-2023 09:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277180#Comment_120277180

Well you're aping the vast majority of Ukrainians then too

realdanbreen · 23-02-2023 09:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277531#Comment_120277531

I agree they certainly could do with the laugh although it might be more beneficial if you contacted your inlaws and your wife's friends and told them about the raping torturing and murdering that their soldiers (some of which are probably their relations) are carrying out in Ukraine. Or perhaps they already know and like most Russians don’t give a f**k!

Field east · 23-02-2023 09:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277407#Comment_120277407

I agree with your point in principal. BUT the problem is that one cannot ‘trust’ even ONE russian because all of them can be used By Putin ans his supporters AGAINST THEIR WILL. they can be , for example, just asked for information by the police and god only knows what might happen to them if they do not comply and they know the consequences.

Did you notice when someone is being interviewed on the street by a western reporter - they look around first to see who might be listening. some examples - look at the teacher that was reported to the police when she said something about the current mission or the elderly lady who was dragged off the bus for spouting something about the mission or the mother who lost a son on the submarine - the akirsh- incident. . The whole population is caught in a real dilemma. All Russians do not know who might report them re their actions or utterances, who they socialise with, what are they reading, etc, etc, etc. look at the way Putin ‘REELS’ in those oligarcs who he has fallen out with . He - his selected judiciary- come up with a list of trumped up charges and away we go

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