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Simmering anger

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    I think at the moment there is a sense of anger but resignation in this will be the way it is until a general election comes about. A lot of people are hoping a drastic shake-up in government will change the landscape of life in Ireland for the better.



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Or worse, if SF get in.

    If you're one of those people who works, anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    If SF don't get in then FF and FG will never have to do go a good job



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    Exactly it. Any party in too long breeds complacency. FF & FG will have to make big changes and realign themselves with their electorate.

    Might as well see what SF can do for all their noise and bluster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,812 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I can see the reasoning behind this view but with SF history, including recent history… the phrase.. ‘ better the devil you know ‘ would be my thinking.

    always some skullduggery with them. Too used to not playing by the rules unless it’s their rules.

    if they got in, getting them out democratically might be an issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Asia is still good value for tourism until the Chinese tourist hordes come back en masse. Numbers of European tourists are still massively down on a few years ago, must he cost of living issues i.e. they can't afford it as much as before as I would have expected strong bouncback after covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The DayDream


    I don't believe any politcal party including SF can or actually wants to fix the issues we are facing. These are worldwide issues, it's the 'haves' vs the 'have-nots', simple as that, and the recent inflation and housing crisis is their way of scaring people who got a taste of personal freedom and empowerment during lockdowns into going back to being slaves, and to divide us.

    It is working to an extent - when there is financial help announced for those on social welfare payments look how many people on here get their pants in a bunch. The middle class turn their hate to the lower class instead of the upper and the lower class turn their hate to the immigrants and refugees. Everyone is pissed that someone else is getting something and not them. It's very easy to get caught up in, especially because we can see the man on the dole or the refugee walking around but we don't see the ones who are really keeping us down, often they are faceless corporations, so they are insulated from the anger ordinary citizens feel.

    During the pandemic a lot of people realized how badly we get screwed, especially by companies that employ us. We give them so much of our time (a far more precious and limited commodity than money) for so little in return - often just barely enough to maintain our very existence and get back and forth to work. Many are forced into long commutes and answering emails and such after work hours. People decided they wouldn't do it any more and that shocked the system. Now it seems to me that the 'elites' or whatever you want to call them are trying to rein us back in and gain more power - making everything more expensive and creating fear around the most basic of needs (shelter).

    The health crisis is due to vast corruption in the industry from pharma and insurance companies and the government. They don't want free public healthcare so the system stays broken by design to try and force people to choose a system that they can profit from.

    I actually think these things will get worse before they get better and the world will become more dystopian as natural disasters are increasing all the time while resources like housing decrease. As more people are displaced all the time from earthquakes, floods not to mention war, it's going to get worse. It's going to look pretty scary. But things won't get better until it becomes that bad. So bad that huge swathes of people no longer have anything to lose, and really come together and push against the system to tear it down, realize the power they have in their numbers and basically force a revolution.

    Sounds crazy I know and laugh if you want, but I believe the 'simmering anger' OP is on about is actually the start of a shift that is occuring and you don't have to even be angry to feel it - I think everyone is waking up to the need for a big change in our society. Voting will only be a small part of it.

    If it happens during our lifetime we'll be laughing when we remember back to the days when we thought any of the current parties (SF included) were interested or capable of helping people when it was the people who had the power all along. We'll laugh about thinking a social welfare bonus was big news - there will be a universal basic income for starters. The bitter boardsie dole bashers will have a total meltdown!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Exactly. There is no paradise for the ordinary person, Ireland is no different.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Tenley Hissing Pocketknife


    SF, FF, FG, whichever acronym is next in government leading the country will scarcely matter.

    If SF do get into power (I’m not necessarily opposed one way or the other) they’ll likely face the problem of having all these promises but having neither the time, backing or resources to follow through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    I agree with all of this. Pretty much nail on the head imo



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All around the world and back again.

    I read something about Brazilians in Ireland who come here because they believe there is a better life in Ireland/Europe than could have in Brazil in fact a life they could never have in Brazil, out of curiosity I looked up Brazil ranking in the world, its the 12 largest economy in the world by any measure a world superpower, yet too young Brazilians somehow it would be 'better' in Ireland, the Irish want to go to Canada and Australia became it's 'better'

    It's like a merry-go-round.

    I am not saying there are no issues in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,812 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    A lot of the Brazilian community come here for opportunities like the ability to learn English, to work in jobs that pay them a lot better with better perks… Brazilian education is overall ranked only at an average level compared to the likes of ourselves and EU counterparts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,886 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I read a recent thread from r/Ireland ón Reddit a few days ago about people who were struggling to find access to mental health services here in Ireland.

    It said that the main cohort of people who were accessing these services were mostly middle age. They were stuck in an immovable situation with trying to pay their high energy bills, along with high rent or mortgage rates and who also have kids combined with all of the above.

    It was really heartbreaking to read some of the responses within that discussion. There were some posters there who they themselves or who had friends who tried to take their own lives while struggling to pay their high bills while currently being in employment.

    I do feel that there are two dynamics of how Ireland is operating at the moment. Within one dynamic, you have a country that has a very strong economy with record levels of employment in nearly every sector of work while getting good salaries.

    The other dynamic shows us a very different Ireland at play. It gives us an impression that there are some cohorts of people who are either not so successful in their role of work or who are currently low paid who are trying to make a lot of effort in paying those high bills while not making good attempts to get them paid in full. There are also those who are currently on social welfare that are also not able to pay these high bills at all.

    That is the main issue within dealing with this cost of living crisis. It does show us that there are certain challenges ahead that have to be dealt with as a society and a country in how we can manage to pay these bills in the near future.

    I also heard on the news recently that inflation is beginning to fall however electricity prices have not come down yet which is also a bit troubling for people here at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    I'm very fu**ing angry right now...........I can drink myself to death on Ash Wednesday but Jesus help you if you ate a slice of ham. !!!! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    This is the problem with party politics. If we don’t make our. Politicians work hard for our votes, if they just assume they will get in again, they will do nothing for us. Look at our housing - why cant the county councils build them?

    At our last election, ff were so worried about SF who were just one seat behind them for a majority, they had to join with the same old FG/G coalition to keep SF out. They should have bought them in and trained them in the mechanisms of government so that once SF get in, and they will get in, they have an understanding how it all works.

    FF/FG/G are so worried of Mary Lou that they had to gang up on her to keep her out - they wont keep her out at the next election.

    For clarity, I’m a more than middle aged woman who rents and has a small business in rural ireland and I will be voting SF



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The sad thing about your post is that you think a SF government will be any different. They won’t solve the housing crisis because they can’t magically build houses, and as a business owner, would you not be concerned that the only way they will be able to follow though on all their commitments, is to raise your taxes. When the time comes, ask yourself and your local SF candidate where the money is going to come from for the housing and everything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    "Vancouver is boring as shyte too, apparently"

    This made me laugh!! Have you ever been to Vancouver or is this just hearsay from a few bitter Irish lads who never got to travel beyond the local GAA pitch? I've spent a considerable amount of time in Vancouver and also in New Zealand. To say they are breath takingly beautiful is an understatement, you wouldn't know that unless you saw these places. They both have a broadminded , relaxed, easygoing, friendly, non-judgemental attitude, not the small minded, bitter begrudgery you see and hear in Ireland.

    They are close to seas, mountains, forests, rivers, world class skiing, regular transport services that work (!!), the list is endless. The work life balance is brilliant, nobody works beyond 5pm, the attitude is get out there and live your life, work is a means to living it, it is actively encouraged to be fit and outdoorsy. I have family in both Vancouver and Auckland.

    Yes these places are expensive and its hard to get accommodation whether it's rental or to buy, whether its holiday or permanent, but that's a small price to pay. Some posters here need to travel a bit more and broaden their minds!

    (I love Ireland too and live in a rural location now, close to beaches and mountains)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭maninasia



    I know many mid 30s to 40s parents with two kids type families doing pretty well in Ireland. Both parents working, easily afford mortgage, nice holidays and cars. Mostly they bought their places years ago and one of them is a government worker. I know some that are renting and it's more difficult proposition althpugh they still do fine overall if a bit despondent about the housing market. I don't know any of my friends with 3rd level education that are outwardly struggling actually. I have to balance that with saying none are particularly rich either and most of their savings is in their house equity I guess. It's the younger cohort stuck at home or folks that get divorced, single parents, disability, carers, some pensioners, they will be struggling a lot more due to huge cost of living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭maninasia


    They should privatise the hospitals ,cut the HSE right back to make a flatter structure between health prociders and patients, allow private primary networks to expand and fund it with mandatory universal health insurance with the same access rights for everybody。none of the complete bullshit with medical cards that goes on now, where people who just arrived in the country get better treatment than somebody paying into it 30 years.

    Now that's crazy.



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You don’t see any drawbacks in complete privatisation of hospital care?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,383 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That's not how it was in 80s. Was involved in building in 80 and builders often had new houses built and couldn't sell them. Empty sites they couldn't sell. Half of Dublin city center was derelict. People didn't have the money.

    People forget we've gone from being a relatively poor country to a rich one and desirable European destination. Along with all the other things that have happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Could of course keep uni teaching hospitals and any hospital that wants to remain competitive. Its not neccessary to have complete privatisation.


    But private hospitals are more efficient and with universal insurance all payments are the same per patient procedure , so hospitals must compete for the standardised patients fees through the national insurance system. Instead of the patient being a burden they now are a customer you compete for by offering better services. Patients need to pay a copay but its usually a small amount mainly to weed out timewasters.


    This is my lived experience in countries with well functionlning universal health insurance systems, not some rubbish I am making up.


    Newly established private hospitals would have less legacy issues with staffing and pensions. They just hire who they need to hire.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Years ago I met a builder who told me his brother was one of the first to build in Gorey his whole family were builders his family though he was mad, they would never sell, he built one took him months to sell it, then he'd build another one, and so on took him years, people forget life before the N roads the M50 Dart and Luas and all we have now, on another slight tongue in check point get married and stay married its the best way to ensure wealth in old age.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Except for the fact that about a third of those in hospitals have additional social needs, it's not just medical procedures, if it only was that simple, there was a person on here the other day whose doctor told him to go to A&E for psychological support. now all you get in A&E is emergency psychiatry it is for emergency acute cases, the whole system would have to be redesigned from the bottom up, and it's nothing to do with pensions.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I think SF voters know what SF won't fix anything.

    Let's be honest, there's no magic bullet to any of the issues in our country. But, FFG have let it get this bad over the past 2 decades, and it's only getting worse.

    If SF can stop things getting worse, or make them get worse slower, then it'll be a result.


    We need a change, even if that change doesn't result in anything.



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s the hope that kills ya, they are all the same, it makes little difference who is at the top. Unions will stifle any initiative which improves the health service which may involve job loses or changes to work practices, there are too many variables outside government control involved in housing. It’s just going to be musical chairs.



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you want something similar to the US model where hospitals are run as businesses and people have to pay whatever the hospitals charge, and they and the Government/tax payer are held to ransom by the owners?

    Bad as they are, privatising all/most hospitals and making them for-profit, isn’t the way to go. The changes necessary aren’t just about money, they are also about changing the way staff work, and there is inertia to that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭maninasia


    It's nothing like the US model, they don't have a proper universal insurance system.

    A universal insurance system doesn't care if the service provider, the hospital, is public or private, they get paid the same amount per patient and per treatment from the insurance system. Universal insurance systems don't use middlemen insurance companies like in the US. The point is there only one national mandatory insurance system that sets the pricing and premiums. This means its the universal insurance body which tends to set the prices.

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  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ireland doesn’t have it either, and where you have private businesses, you have a need to control costs and make profit. If your idea is that you get a private operator to own the hospitals then pay them a set rate, dictated by the Government, you are asking for private companies to cut costs to the bone as there would be no alternative treatment providers.

    What you are proposing sounds like the NHS, but with hospitals privately owned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭maninasia


    It is similar to very successful systems in Korea and Taiwan, both of which use a mix of public and private hospitals. Not so much the NHS and definitely not the US.

    What you need to understand is that there is nothing wrong with private hospitals. So what if they make a profit? Many private hospitals are owned by big conglomerates in Asia and they aren't really for the profit motive but more prestige and the owners had a personal interest in creating better hospitals. Others are founded by religious organisations.


    Private hospitals being built also means the government doesn't need to fund the huge capital costs and the salaries and expensive public pensions. So you can add more capacity and beds.


    In a universal healthcare system the patient is free to choose the healthcare provider. The patient chooses the hospital and the doctor, they aren't forced to choose one hospital or consultant.


    I should ask why the resistance to private investment in healthcare when the current system is failing badly to meet the needs of a growing and aging population ?


    If you lads and ladies followed the news you would be aware of the efforts on 'slaintecare' but the government has been weak in moving it forward.



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