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Serie A Superthread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    How much do you reckon Kvaradona is worth? Maybe Chelsea should have tried to spend all that money on him instead of Mudryk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Big night for Milan. In dreadful form but playing another team in the same boat. Think playing in the San Siro first leg suits them better, they'd lose in London and be chasing a 3 goal lead probably in Milan, over compensating on the attack to catch up and getting caught on the break.

    This way, with the away goal gone, the pressure is off slightly and with the stadium behind them, might be able to get a win and a lead to hold onto in London.

    Either way, it's finally time for them to prove their worth in Europe. Of Europe's traditional big 5, they've had to watch Liverpool, Real and Bayern win over the last 15 years, and even see Ajax competitive again. Their fans deserve better than watching the 15 year slump they've had to endure, bar a slight reprive circa 2011.

    Not good enough for a club like Milan, they're out of excuses at this stage. They need a huge performance tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Impressed with Brahim Diaz. Seen him last year a few times and he was hot and cold as a playmaker, great to see him step up to the mark. When he's on song, Milan are generally firing, he links it. Needs consistency. Struggle when he's not on his game. He's the fulcrum really.

    Hopefully he gets a permanent move to Milan, he wants it, but Madrid refuse to sign off he's such a talent. He's bought into the Milan philosophy though, he's Milan through and through now I think. They've started to build a team around him, disaster if he left. Milan's shining light. After Reus, the most gifted playmaker active



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,951 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Agree about Diaz, nice player to watch.

    Problem for him as you say is Madrid releasing him. I always get the feeling he would never make it at the Bernabeu, they don't have a great record of drafting guys like Diaz into the team and making a future for him. Tend to just buy in ready made players in those spots.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,396 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He is far more miss than hit though.

    If De Ketelaere had hit the ground running Diaz wouldn't have been in the plans as a starter this season.

    Last night was possibly the best he ever played. He was popping up all over the pitch attacking the ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 cruan1


    They're not actually being negative, they're just that poor - believe me, I've seen enough of them this season!! Very little going forward, severely lacking in confidence as well, which doesn't help. They've had a run of about four games (excluding Monday's match, and including the Coppa) where late decisions have gone against them (some legitimately, others less so), which has taken about 5 points off them. That has to add to general sense of demoralisation, going along with the financial issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,396 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Speaking of Samp RTE had a documentary about Brady's time in Italy on Monday.

    Some nice old Serie A footage in it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,817 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    That was proper Monday night football. Great show at around 9.30 on Network 2, Serie A was pure addictive to watch - savage atmospheres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,396 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Loved Brady hanging out of the railings in front of the fans.

    I really never thought he would be that animated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,396 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    0-1 in the Bunga-bunga derby. Snap shot from Messias was too strong for the keeper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭dor83


    Handa in goal for Inter tonight is an odd one, it's not like Onana needs a rest and Handa was not great when he was playing at the start of the season.



  • Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not a penalty, and lukaku gets 2 attempts to score. Inter the real boss



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭dor83


    It was a dangerous tackle, his leading foot was high and not even close to the ball. The first attempt was terrible from Lukaku but the player who cleared it was clearly in the box before he took it so it was rightfully retaken.

    I haven't seen any replays of the one on Barella, looked a pen from what I saw, looked like a push, but I have only seen it live so could be wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Problem I often feel for playmakers, if they don't have moments that stand out, people start saying they do nothing. Whereas, even when quite, their role is still the most important, giving structure and tempo to the teams play.

    You'd often look at guys like Riquelme or Aimar and people complaining they did nothing in a game, because they didn't get a goal or give a defence splitting pass, but even when quite are linking it all up.

    I suppose big things are expected by guys playing in the traditional 10 role, and when quite are often criticised or seen as luxury players which is often unfair, their influence often going unnoticed. Think about how hard it would be to conjure up moments of magic every game, and that being expected of you as a given, as your the playmaker?

    You look at Xavi and Iniesta, even Pirlo, and even when they're quite, we're told you should accept they are the geniuses pulling the strings. Which they are, but it's hard for other playmakers, playing in weaker teams to get that benefit of the doubt I often find.

    Even Aaronson getting panned at Leeds, people saying he's too weak and getting pushed off the ball. Yet since he's been benched, they have become completely rudderless in structure, he was doing the quite but important work, linking everything.

    Edit, Diaz like Collado deemed too good to sell, yet parent club refuses to play them. That limbo situation not fair. If your on loan two years, parent club should be forced to sell if that's what player wants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Don't think that's fully true. De Ketelaere brought in incase Diaz won't become permanent at Milan. Club hesitant to build the team around Diaz, incase he can't stay. Diaz the better player



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,951 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Funny you mention Riquelme in this type of role.

    Was a big fan of him, but he was the type of guy many folk wouldn't see what he did in a game.

    There is a great clip of him on YouTube against England. It's basically all his touches in the game in a compilation. When you see them all taken out and in that format, you realise that he controlled the whole game, against the highly touted English best in a generation midfield, without doing anything that would make the casual fan sit up and take notice.

    But the game revolved around him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    I think the same applies to Diaz. The true mark of greatness is when you throw an exceptional playmaker into an ordinary team and watch the effect. Cruyff at Ajax and Netherlands, Maradona at Naples and even Riquelme at Villarreal.

    Milan were struggling for years, hovering around 6th and 7th, and since the arrival of Diaz have become champions and contenders again. They haven't bought big, and many of the same donkeys still at the club from when they were struggling. Diaz has been the difference.

    Even I criticised his performance v United last year as he didn't come up with the big moment in the big match, what you come to expect from the playmaker. But that shouldn't be the measurement really. Should be his influence game to game.

    It's why Madrid won't sell him and as you say would be a disaster for him to go there. Playmakers given little to no chance if they aren't a big name. Guti overlooked badly during the galactico era, but when it clearly wasn't working, the club looked to him to be the pivot in midfield and things started to improve. But it took years for Guti to finally be appreciated, most other players wouldn't hang around that long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,396 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Absolute shte as usual out of you. Plucked entirely out of your imagination.

    Diaz was not the difference. In fact that is the first time I have ever heard anyone claim this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭dor83


    Another terrible away performance from Inter at Bologna today, Bologna deserve to win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Really disappointing match tonight

    Atalanta have been absolutely woeful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Cheeky goal of the season contender from Biraghi.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Smell the glove


    I remember Ilicic getting a near carbon copy of that a few years back for Atalanta when they hammered Toro.


    Really like Biraghi, when you see him in the flesh you realise how high his workrate is. He's constantly up and down the flank and is a quality crosser of the ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,396 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Great to see Maignan back. Hope I don't regret that statement by the end of the night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    It's a fascinating battle for the top four as they are all so inconsistent behind Napoli. Roma vs Juve should be interesting. If Juventus can win they will be only 6 points off Mourinho's side and 9 behind Milan. I figured they were finished after the points deduction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    They probably are going to miss out. Took longer than I expected, but Allegri is slowly getting them back to where they were before he left, which is ominous for the league.

    Can see them taking back over next year winning the league and continue their upward trajectory. So hard to compete with a team like Juve at their best, relentless consistency. Napoli can't stand up to a head to head season like dogfight. If Juve were currently about 7 points behind them, theyd break



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Smell the glove


    Great to see the viola totally outplay Milan last night. So frustrating to know Fiorentina are capable of great performances but have zero consistency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭dor83


    Inter lose away again, which makes it 5 points from 5 away games, all against teams in the bottom half of the table, since the the restart after the world cup. That's simply not good enough.

    Away to Porto on Tuesday night too, can see Porto winning there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    What a goal by Kvaratskhelia.



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