Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Russia - threadbanned users in OP

1259525962598260026013690

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    They don't think they are in the wrong. And even if they did think they were in the wrong how are you going to force them to pay reparations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Do you think the EU can legally seize those assets?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    It would be a useful exercise, and we have some smart people on this thread, to imagine some potential answers to these questions:

    1. what will be the catalyst for the fighting to stop? Exhaustion of force? Total defeat of one side or another? Nuclear weapon usage?
    2. what parts of Ukraine might still be under Russian control when the fighting stops? Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, Crimea?
    3. what would happen to such Russian-occupied territories? Frozen conflicts such as Nagorno-Karbakh?
    4. what would a peace agreement look like?
    5. how quickly would Ukraine integrate itself into the EU?
    6. how would the West engage with Russia post-conflict? Carrot vs Stick?
    7. what changes could happen in Russian political and civil society post-conflict? Will Russia ever democratize?

    The natural trend, especially in the information environment of 2023 with our instant access to updates, is to focus on the 'here and now' tactical environment but the real focus should be on the long-term strategic landscape



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    The big flaw in the UN, when it comes to conflict, is the nature and makeup of the Security Council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    There is no onus on me to condemn, condone or anything in between regarding the Ukraine War and you have absolutely no right to demand this of me or anybody else.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Putin will get spit roasted in Hell by patton and churchill - I like it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,771 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's a discussion forum discussing primarily the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    You see there you go again, trying to play the victim. Yet nobody 'demanded' anything of you. You were asked a simple question. Yet you will not engage in this core and relevant point germane to the entire discussion.

    That you will not condemn it, and engage in these shenanigans when asked, is now taken by other readers of the thread as proof positive of the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of your position. And the utter hollowness and hypocrisy of any claims you make re: concern for civilian life & the victims of this war when you will take no position on this crucial point.

    As I said, your posts on this thread are exercises in intellectual bankruptcy (just asking questions, smokescreens and deflections) and moral bankruptcy (refusal to condemn illegal war and Russian war crimes).

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Even if Russia were not on the security council, the UN could still do nothing.

    If a nuclear armed state decides to ignore a UNSC ruling - who blinks first?

    Yes they can. the problem is - can they use them?

    If that money is actually introduced into the economy it will just cause inflation, what the EU and US really need is commitment from Russia that they will contribute construction equipment and crews and energy to help rebuild Ukraine, which is unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Screenshot_20230216_122627_Chrome.jpg Screenshot_20230216_122116_Chrome.jpg

    Today on RT.COM-

    Wouldn't you be so proud of our home grown EU officials.

    You couldn't make it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Yeah, sorry I was imprecise which is always unhelpful. "Global" may have been better to use than just "international". I was thinking of the UN and I believe I have read criticism of the IMF also (as regards willingness to support Ukraine's budget + it being slow to act).

    In my head EU is a European structure, NATO is mostly a European structure (membership) and its original purpose was security in Europe...but you are correct.

    I don't think the EU or NATO have failed here, both have done pretty well despite the handicap of unanimity requirements and having 1 or 2 problematic members that are ambivalent or will tend to support Russia.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I think it's naiive to expect all 200+ countries on the planet to be forces for good. We have prisons for individuals who can't conform to societal norms; some of them never do and spend most of their life locked away from the rest of society. I see the same happening to Russia. Once they have been kicked out of Ukraine, just isolate them and prevent them from interfering with other countries. Russia will probably implode and degnerate into civil war. But after seeing what they're capable of towards Ukraine, I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,289 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    In the battlefield you make battlefield decisions. We know the UA had drone intelligence as a drone recorded the even.

    The position seemed isolated with no effective artillery support. The commander decided know the chance of the Russian of having any RPG was virtually zero. The chance of an RPG hitting a fast moving tank was one in twenty to thirty.

    What if they sent troops in support you probably slow the mobility if the tank and the tank and troops are more at risk. The least risky solution is send the tank in moving fast. The reason the Russian lost most tanks was lack of mobility

    Any modern tanks hit by RPG which were successful were fairly static and in Urban or area where high speed mobility was limited.

    If that was a UA position the troops would have 2-3 LAWS and either a Javelin, tank or howitzer on support. The HIMMAR's and and drone guided shoot and scoot heavy howitzer's are preventing this on the Russian side.

    So the Russian solution would be a mass human wave attack which the UA constantly chew up.

    In an urban or low mobility area you definitely would not send in a tank by itself. If you ate fairly sure there is no artillery or AGTM support and even RPG's are unlikely then a fast moving tank is a good option


    Even for the tank crew it's probably safer

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    From the production values in that video, I suspect the Ukrainians were using a small fleet of drones to gather intelligence and to guide and monitor the operation. This detailed assessment is likely what lead to the action beeing taken, part of which undoubtedly was checking carefully for any ATWs.

    But of course you are right; unfortunately Ukraine is incredibly under resourced for taking on 93% of Russias ground forces along a front that is over 1,000km in length. Resources are stretched pretty thin.

    The leverage Ukraine is gaining from it's use of drones, is prodigious.

    IMG_20230213_152843_352.jpg

    They sent around 90 drones and a swag of Starlink terminals to Bakhmut. a couple of weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Well for starters point 5 will most like depend on points 2 and 3. Can a nation join the EU if it's borders aren't fully recognised or if there are border disputes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    It's a question of scale, ultimately.

    Russia is geographically enormous, vastly rich in natural resources but most importantly, has a massive stockpile of nukes.

    North Korea is containable. Russia is not. We're going to have to reckon with them strategically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    Take it whatever way you want but I am under no obligation to answer "gotcha" questions. My "feelings" are completely irrelevant to this discussions but you insist on me answering a "have you stopped beating your wife" question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    A Question --

    Has the World shifted to the point where, if it were possible to simultaneously destroy 90% of Russia's nuclear assets, a decision would be made to proceed?

    Note - nowhere in the above proposition is a first strike use of nuclear weapons mentioned

    Obviously that 10% would be used to retaliate, or would it?, what would be the point?, better to keep it to protect the weakened state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,555 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Slightly OT but when we have an expert in our midst, I'm going to take the opportunity to ask the question... you mention that history is littered with instances of tanks being lost to things that, on paper, shouldn't have been a threat... would such a thing as the "sticky bomb" from Saving Private Ryan (a sock covered in grease and filled with plastic explosive) work? And are there any known instances of it in real life? I'm aware of the British anti-tank S.T. grenade working on the same principle but the simplicity of the improvised weapon in the film always made me curious about it's potential real-world usage!



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Did everyone invade Ukraine illegally, or just Russia?

    Did everyone start murdering and raping Ukrainian citizens, including children, or just Russia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Europe has done pretty well getting off their resources in the last year. After that, economically, it's just another country with a GDP about the size of Italy's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Simple answer is 'No', it reads like something from a not very believable novel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Well I'm going to explain to you what others already expect you to know.

    You have been snookered, a few naked questions have exposed the tiny glitch deep in your psyche that causes you to know you should be ashamed of your true position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    No harm that it really aids the case for the transition to green energy too!

    If it was just an 'Italy-sized economy' that would be manageable, maybe. But it's an 'Italy-sized economy with the ability to project conventional and nuclear forces. And that also engages in hybrid warfare, such as cybercrime and election sabotage'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    That's not the angle I'm coming from though, one needs to suspend disbelief to consider the decision making process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    That remaining 10% could still end human civilisation on earth as we know it. So still 'no'.

    I get the angle but it's purely hypothetical. So it's a fun little debate for sure, but its a conjecture that will never occur in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,011 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MudSpud


    There is a difference between seizing and freezing. If I freeze your bank account I merely prevent you from accessing the funds. I can unfreeze it at a later date. Seizing it mean I just take your money and leave you out of pocket.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Electric Gypsy


    What about his estimation of the number of dead civilians being 250 thousand? Would you consider that accurate?



This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement