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@macraignil

That is pretty much the nature of war and the old statement that war is politics by other means. You get two sides who have widely differing aims over a particular issue and they cannot come to a diplomatic settlement. Sooner or later a shoving match will occur such that one side eventually realises that they haven't the resources to pursue their objectives in such a way and become more amenable to some kind of negotiated settlement (which may be very long or very short, depending on how the shoving goes).

Russia and Ukraine are very far apart on what they appear to consider an acceptable outcome and both continue to (at least publicly) believe that physical force will be successful in achieving their stated objectives. Hence, the war continues.

Some fringe political figures continue to argue that by supplying military aid to Ukraine, the war is being artificially prolonged. This continues to ignore, however, the humanitarian situation that would develop were Russia allowed to simply overrun the country, being that the attitude from the Kremlin appears to be that Ukraine and Ukrainians can only be allowed to exist if they remain in vassalage to Russia. Attempts to challenge this, will be met with military intervention by Russia, as we have seen.

Russia will continue to exist without Ukraine under its umbrella. Ukraine will not continue to exist without Russia as a friend (in the scenario where 'nature takes its course' as promoted by Wallace and Daly). Not hard to see who has more at stake.

Explosions seen and heard close to an airport used by Russian in Melitopol and to think some people don't think the Ukrainans are going to go on counter offensive anytime

The argument might be that Russia has a claim on Crimea because of the number of ethnic Russians living there. For the sake of argument, if we take the claim that this is a majority of people, it would open up Russia to the troublesome question of independence for a number of its own republics, given that Russia is a large patchwork of conquered minorities, at least some of whom have had their own independence struggles in the past. You won't hear much from how Russia suppressed the Chechens from the usual suspects, even as they list Ukrainian suppression of ethnic Russians as a reason for Russia's military incursion on Ukraine.

Historically part of Ukraine just six years ago (and still today.)

So you're finally coming around to recognising the truth - that both the Donbas and Crimea are Ukrainian territory. Slow learner but progress is good.

Really...

Ireland was historically part of the Uk, quite recently

Crimea - Wikipedia

And...?

Can we give the Danes a claim too , being the Vikings settled there too .

I like I this game

Ooo, yes. While we’re at let’s give Karelia back to Finland. Historically Finnish and all that.

Next poster, keep it going :P

Not pretty harsh in comparison to general Communist societies like the Soviet Union under Lenin to Khrushchev, Mao's China, Red Cambodia etc etc, but pretty f ing bad to most of us.

If Coke and McDonalds tell them they're not bringing the Russians then they won't be bringing the Russians. Everyone else is just noise.

Thats what a TV show ran by the inmates of a loony bin would look like. 8 minutes of simpletons pretending to be intellectuals, fantasising and grinning like the idiots they are.