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BIK RATES FOR 2023!! CAREFUL!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭RobertM


    Shocking selection of cars out there at the moment. 3 years ago a Skoda Superb with almost everything on it was around 48k, now it's at 52k for the 150hp diesel engine.


    In our company we got lucky that the owners are taking the hit and we were granted permission to order PHEV's, otherwise the new CO2 increase would've been too much to bear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭eusap


    Will you use the PHEV part? in the uk lots of company car drivers opted for these due to the lower CO2 but never charge the battery and just put more petrol in them which is having the opposite effect to reduce emissions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭RobertM


    It will probably be used in Hybrid mode 99% of the time to be honest with you. The company knows this as well. From our point of view though all we care is about less taxation, meaning those of us who are on a shorter trips for a month won't have to get up at the weekend just to drive somewhere to get the mileage up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭divillybit


    Had a company van for over 10 years, up until I changed jobs. Twas a great perk in fairness. Always thought I should have been paying some few bob in BIK as it saved me having to get a car of my own. But some of the BIK amounts mentioned in this article are steep enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,699 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    The worst effected people are those doing big mileage - really have to feel sorry for them as they do really need the vehicle for work.

    Due to the changes in the mileage bands some drivers have slipped out of the lowest BIK bracket, that was 6% and if they are driving something along the lines of a Tiguan Auto they could now be in the 22.5% bracket. Monthly net cost difference for a €45,000 vehicle in that case is around €280 a month more - totally unfair when the decision of what to order was made in 2019.

    Probably still the cheapest way of running a vehicle doing that sort of mileage, but a massive change compared to what people are used to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭hold my beer



    They made that choice in 2019 knowing the rules were changing. It's been flagged that long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,699 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    No, they didn't.

    It was hidden in the 2019 Finance act, that was published on the 22nd December 2019. There was absolutely no mention in the October 2019 budget that there may be any changes at all - the Government just put it in the Finance act when it was published.

    It wasn't common knowledge until recently. I only discovered it in Feb 21 when I had to go digging through legislation to try and figure out what the changes were for Electric Vehicles.

    Usually, 2019 vehicles would be changed this year at the latest, but due to supply issues there's going to be drivers who were due change in January (who would have ordered vehicles over a year before the change in legislation was silently released), that are going to have to stay in their current vehicles, or walk, for the next 6 months +

    It's nigh on impossible to get something with low emissions, in a reasonable timeframe. Full EV or Diesel aren't too bad (if the budget is there), but there's hardly anything PHEV available, and PHEV is the only option for someone doing 35,000km a year or more, who wants to get in to a low BIK bracket - unless it's commuting to / from the office - they at least can go full EV.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    There's an article from 2018. It's been known for ages. Reading back, I think we're talking about different things. I was talking about the phasing out of a favourable rate for EVs. You're talking about rates increasing based on emissions. Apologies, completely misread you.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,699 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    That article is purely about electric vehicles under €50,000 - nothing at all to do with the introduction of the Co2 bandings as part of the BIK calculation from the start of this year, which hasn't been known for ages.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,441 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    That’s actually false ROR. The CO2 banding for BIK to apply from 1 January 2023 was included in Finance Bill 2019 which was first published on 15 October 2019 before being signed into law in December 2019.


    Even before that it had been highlighted in the Tax strategy Papers produced in July 2018 - see page 16 onwards of the document at the link before. There was ample opportunity for employers, leasing/fleet companies and others both to appreciate the proposed changes and either to lobby or position their fleets accordingly.

    As regards the penalisation of high mileage users, it is open to anyone to ask their employer to prohibit private use of the car and thus have no BIK. Whether the person is a high business mileage or a low business mileage user doesn’t really impact on the value they get from private use.


    https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/4448/131218111625-831f2d14259b4483b63ecffc7c4c0133.pdf#page=null



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭arsebiscuits82


    Well got the first payslip during the week, BIK now €60/month more than last year. Lucky to be in a commercial I guess. Cost to me now €153/month.

    Can we really complain though about it? Just looking on a few websites there.

    Tiguan R Line - €49515 new

    CO2 emissions - 140-150gm/km - Band D

    Annual buisness mileage - 39,000 (800km/week-is this reasonable?).

    BIK Rate - 20.25%

    Monthly this will work out around €420 nett from your pay. The same vehicle on PCP is €579/month. An Ocatavia Estate with the same mileage comes in under €300/month . Plus you have no fuel, tax, insuarance or maintenance bills.

    Do companies track business and private mileage, mine doesn't anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,441 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    If they don’t track it then the assumption is that 8k of the total is private mileage. In the past, before fleet tracking etc would have made it easier, logs were supposed to be kept.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    I'd consider PHEV next time around, but with only being able to claim vat back on diesel, it'll be the company who will lose out for going green.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Horse1920


    Hi delly-so i was the op on this thread and have went from a 2.0 diesel running about €240 a week to a kia sportage phev which qualifies in the 9% bracket running over €300 week in petrol.. Its a rental on trial but company is getting killed. Doubtful that we'll keep phevs to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Horse1920


    Can anyone shine a light on whether if your car is branded it gets a 0% bik or also of your "on-call" you also qualify for 0% bik(commercial only) or ist this bs? I'm calling revenue on Tuesday on this but just wondering if anyone has any insight? Thanks 👍🏻



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    BIK is charged on personal use of a vehicle. You can paint it pink if you want, but if you use it for personal use, you must pay BIK on it. If you don't use it for personal use, then no BIK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 392 ✭✭Romero


    Hi Folks,

    have company car and do low business Kilometres , I'd be in Catagory C for immersions, I've asked payroll to make sure I'm on the correct BIK rate.

    They say I'm on the correct one which was the low Business mileage catagory, I thought they done away with that but it seems to be still up there on the website Employees with low business kilometres (revenue.ie) Hasn't been updated since 13th January 2022. So is this removed now? I'm not sure I will even do the 8000KM business , I'd prefer to be safe then sorry and claim back if i end up doing lots of business KM's


    Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 392 ✭✭Romero




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    That's great news and is rather surprising, as the small backlash didn't have much of a voice. Credit to whoever listened in the government.

    In my case, my OMV is €25,000 and I'm in the 39k to 52k mileage bracket and cat C. Prior to the change I would be taxed on €3,000 per year. After the change that went up to €4,500. The new relief will now mean I am taxed on €2,700, so paying slightly less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Good news, but you'd be raging if you had already bought out your lease or handed back your company motor based on the original rates.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭poppers


    Has the €10000 reduction in OMV not been approved yet, im still on being charged on old valuation. Payroll says they have not received anything from revenue to say it been adopted as of yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    My software updated last week with lots of notifications about the change. I had to manually adjust a lot of the calcs for employees for April.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    Just bumping this thread for anybody who missed it, but the €10k reduction on OMV will apply again for 2024, which is great to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,699 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    And they've frozen the EV 0% rate as well, so the first €35,000 is still 0% - should have been €20,000 next year. Entry to the lowest rate on mileage also stay's at 48,000km rather than the 52,000km it should have been.

    Would have been nice to see it come down across the board, compared to what it currently is, but pretty happy with it staying as it is at the moment.



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