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PV Feed In Tariff

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,280 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    But none of the suppliers do the calculation, they take what esbn sends them in kWh and works from that.

    I bet they don't even get the size of your system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It also has to work with the integrated system as I suspect on the supply company end, their bill from networks is reduced by the number of kWh paid in export kWh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    It's not a manual calculation for DN meters though, it's automatic once you know the size of the system which they must given the number of units was calculated for the previous bill.

    The providers know nothing of your system (deemed export, size or otherwise). They get a kWh figure from ESB Networks and your provider pays you accordingly. That kWh figure is all they know. They wont know that the figure is going to be the same every month. ESB Networks control the whole process, not your provider.

    Your provider cant be guessing. Until ESB Networks sort out whatever problem they have, we wont get getting another payment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Anyone still waiting for Electric Ireland to pay them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    I put in a request in Sept for payment whenI left them, seems to be no hope of getting paid, only about 60euro but still🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭millb


    They are a messy organisation - ESBN lost my NC6 - never explained - but should have updated EI last month - EI haven't paid any FIT yet but for sure they have significantly reduced the discount on my tariff - despite a customer / sales chap telling me my 2022 tariff was being maintained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭Gerry


    Well, finally. SSE paid FIT on this new bill which runs last week nov to last week Jan. A bit frustrating that the number of units was not shown, it at 0.

    This led me to wonder if I was paid deemed export instead. SSE did say on the phone last week that they were not paying FIT for smart meters currently due to bad data from ESBN which has been mentioned

    If I say that theres 6 months of a 4kw system, at 300kw per kwp a year, then for 600 units in half a year the amount of 150 euro looks in the ballpark.

    My total export from my monitoring is also around 600 for the period so its pretty much impossible to tell any more without knowing some of the calculations.

    so for other sse customers on smart tariff, of the few who got paid, was kwh figure 0 or not?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I haven't called them yet as they seem to be doing it in batches but considering they forgot about my €150 refund when I left them in October I wouldn't be surprised if they forgot about me again.

    They're quick to offer their customers €50 though...



  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Colm82


    I was on to them yesterday about an unrelated issue and asked about FIT. Was told as I had left them I was in going to be in the last group to be paid and they had no idea when that might be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Evd-Burner


    They might do. My mec shows on my bg account as 4.0kw, although I do have a smart meter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Got my new energia bill and no deemed FIt in this one, last one had it.

    Time to make some noise I guess.

    Anyone else the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Everyone else is the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes, same boat, had one bill with deemed FIT and then the next one not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Ok had a chat with them so apparently they pay every 6 months from Feb 2022, not every bill and that's based on what ESBN tells them (stupid for deemed export as there are no units to be provided by ESBN since it is a static number)

    I joined in August, got bill and FIT in October so that sort of matches up, next one should show up in next bill, allegedly.



  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,394 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    That's new, they were intending to pay every bill originally far as I know and it's not what they've been telling other people who have enquired.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    If only these feckers would take as long when it comes to bumping the unit prices as they take with paying FIT...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    It's SSE that we're saying twice a year. BG I think once a year.


    Energia should be every bill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 970 ✭✭✭rushfan


    Hi, I had my system installed 18/01/22, smart meter in May, got 286 euros credited to my account in Dec. The email also stated that any FIT would be credited on every bill going forward. Prior to this I did kinda hound them via email & Twitter for some communication about same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    Bord Gais are getting ready to put up their export data (and hopefully payment) so have made some updates to the accounts.

    It now shows the MEC and a little microgen icon thing. However, mine says 1kW. There's me thinking it's just BGE being shockingly bad again, but just in case I dropped ESBN an email... and they confirmed the same. Installer never put in updated NC6 to bring MEC up to 6kW. 🙄

    I wonder how many are finding the same thing now exports are starting. If I was on a non-smart meter I think I'd be really fecked as I'd get payment based on 1kW. I'm on a smart meter and ESBN is showing export data so should hopefully get paid correctly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭bootser


    Hi All, I'm sure this has all been discussed previously but hoping someone will give me a quick answer! I'm due to have 4.8Kwp installed in 2 weeks(no battery). I have an old mechanical meter(latched unfortunately) and am due to finish my discounted rate with Energia at the end of the month. The questions I have are:

    1. Will I get deemed export until a smart meter is installed and will I then be required to go on a smart tariff to get paid by export amount?
    2. Should I request a D/N meter installed before the install? I looked back on my usage and it will probably slightly increase the bill amount

    TIA👍️



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  • Registered Users Posts: 970 ✭✭✭rushfan


    I had 2 cold callers from Bord Gais at the door the other day. I'm still under contract to EI, but asked them what was their rate of payment for the FIT's. 18.5c per kw was the reply. Told them I was getting 21c from EI, but we might talk again in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    1. Yes, you will be on a deemed export until you get a smart meter. I dont believe they can force you to go on a smart tariff but you might have to to continue to get paid FiT.
    2. d/n tariffs are much better at present. How long that lasts is unknown. There is a plan to introduce a new smart meter that is configured for d/n tariffs which would then also allow you to get measured FiT on a d/n tariff but its not rolled out yet.


    For you, I'd do nothing. Keep your old meter for as long as you can and avoid smart tariffs for as long as you can. If you want to prolong it then request a d/n tariff from your current provider (meter change will be required). That will keep you on a deemed export for the rest of this year at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭bootser


    Thanks for the info! I think I'll just stick on what im at presently so. I've looked at my consumption and theres very little saving for me on a day/night by unit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Got just over €500 FIT from EI, backdated to February last year. Took them a long time to get their payments going but am glad it’s finally coming through. Hopefully it stays per bill now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,735 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    I thought it was every bill with Energia?

    The deemed fit process is very cloak and dagger stuff with most of the energy companies. Very bizarre.



  • Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭snor


    if you get smart meter taken out, is it possible to get deemed export? Thanks

    Post edited by snor on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭jkforde


    that's taken from Energia's FAQ

    🌦️ 6.7kwp, 45°, SSW, mid-Galway 🌦️

    "Since I no longer expect anything from mankind except madness, meanness, and mendacity; egotism, cowardice, and self-delusion, I have stopped being a misanthrope." Irving Layton



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭jkforde


    not anymore, they're blaming ESBN for bad data, but for deemed export it's just a formula based on your inverter rating.. go figure, literally!

    🌦️ 6.7kwp, 45°, SSW, mid-Galway 🌦️

    "Since I no longer expect anything from mankind except madness, meanness, and mendacity; egotism, cowardice, and self-delusion, I have stopped being a misanthrope." Irving Layton



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭dumb_parade


    just got my first bill, since smart meter was installed. EI are still paying me deemed export for some reason. Not complaining.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Granolite


    Seeing these comments has me wondering. I had a smart meter installed last year and Solar PV installed last month. An NC6 form is submitted for this and so waiting for ESBN and Electric Ireland to process same to accommodate FIT payments. One thing that I've noticed on my Electric Ireland account is that the smart meter data since installation of the smart meter is intermittent. There are data gaps of 2 - 3 days in the overall data history plot. I'm not sure why this is the case but if they are unable to record my exported electricity accurately on account of such data gaps i.e "bad data" then will I inevitably have my FIT based off deemed export formula calculation?

    Does anyone know if the "bad data" Energia are referring to relates to the scenario where poor or intermittent 2g signal in an area where smart meters are installed is occurring resulting in only intermittent tracking/recording of half hour packet data for electricity use/export?

    5.6kWp - SW (220 degrees) - North Sligo



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭dumb_parade


    If you register with esb networks you will see that they have all the data, it seems to more an issue with EI not processing the data properly. I logged a call with EI about it Friday.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    I just got an email from Bord Gais regarding getting the feed in tariff - FIT paid every year??

    What an absolute joke - I buy a unit I pay them in 60 days - I sell them a unit I get paid in 12 months??

    Deemed export by the way so surely they can work it out per bill or split it over the yearly billing cycles as its deemed its going to be a set figure per year.

    Just as well I have a meter that spins backwards. There is no incentive to sign up for a smart meter with this crap going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Granolite


    Thanks for the response. What do you mean by "register"? Do you mean the NC6 application to ESBN? How do you see the data? I have an account with Electric Ireland and that data they allow me see shows gaps. This is the half hourly data you can see once you accept the use of your data for accommodation of smart data services/insights. Is this the data you are referring to?

    5.6kWp - SW (220 degrees) - North Sligo



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭dumb_parade


    Click login and then you will see a register now button. Once you input you MPRN etc, they will give you access to all the data including usage and export data.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Granolite


    Thanks a mill for that. I registered just now and I can see that they are only giving me the import data as of yet. however, the main thing is there are no data gaps, or at least aggregated data is available for the entire period.

    I only submitted the NC6 form a fortnight ago so there may be a delay in getting the export readings. Curiously there are import readings from yesterday lunchtime when I know I was exporting an excess of solar PV, way more than the baseload power demand. Some of the data looks way off to me.

    5.6kWp - SW (220 degrees) - North Sligo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭JayBee66


    I would not get into the habit of turning the fireman's switch on and off on a regular basis. They are meant to stay on until you get a fire. Otherwise too many switchings will result in the switch failing altogether. Fireman's switches are not designed for regular switching.

    Initially, I was avoiding day import by flipping my transfer switch but that resulted in the fireman's switch cycling four times a day. After 7 months the switch died. I had another fitted but it too died when my installer was doing some experiments to discover why the fireman's switch was cycling in the morning when off-grid.

    I am now on my third switch and leave the system on grid 24/7 unless there is a power cut.

    Besides, how are you going to get any FIT if you are not connected to the grid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I get deemed FIT. I've exported 54kWh since september but been paid for hundreds. The magic of the day night meter, not only are the rates cheaper, you get paid for exporting at a 25% rate, whether or not you export anything!

    I'm not talking about cycling the fireman switch I'm talking about removing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭JayBee66


    I see. Well, you can remove it. Just take the cables out and plug them into each other; male to female, from each array to the appropriate inverter connector. So long as you don't mix polarities and arrays then all will be well. I bypassed mine for a month whilst waiting for a new fireman's switch but to be honest I was worried the whole time...

    The reason being that if your house burns down and it is discovered you bypassed the switch (assuming you didn't electrocute any of the firemen and they're not hunting you down first) then the loss adjuster will report that to your house insurer and you might not get a penny.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,213 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    There is zero requirement to have a fireman switch, beyond qualifying for the SEAI grant.

    I know people who work in the field for ESBn and the prevailing wisdom is to assume any and all lines are live until proven otherwise. These fireman switches are pure and utter nonsense. Created in the SEAI. The rest of your post about disqualifying your house insurance is blatant and utter misrepresented bunkum. My installation is still perfectly in compliance with the install requirements legally and from safe electric. The only place in the chain of approval where a fireman switch is required as opposed to suggested is the SEAI grant checklist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭harvindhillon


    Anyone know how long it takes between the NC6 form submission before we are reimbursed for export?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Depends on who your Electricity provider is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    About a week after you confirm nc6 is received by ESB, they start counting. Never assume your installer submitted anything, get it from esb in writing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭harvindhillon


    Thanks guys, with Electric Ireland at the moment.

    Can I just send a mail to ESB with my MPRN? What would be the norm? Sorry for the newb questions

    I did ask my installer to send me a copy of the NC6 form for my records, waiting to hear back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    It's in the thread a few pages back... Email them yes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Granolite


    My NC6 was submitted to ESBN by my installer on 30th January. I was cc'd on the email they submitted. I followed up on the phone yesterday with ESBN to ask could they confirm my MPRN was now confirmed to be eligible for MEC export and ESBN told me they had no record of an NC6 form being submitted and they categorically told me their records were fully up to date. I insisted that this could not be correct as I had a copy of the NC6 form being submitted to them to the correct email address;

    networkservicesbureau@esb.ie

    ESBN told me that unfortunately the issue wasn't at their end and I would need to ask my installer to submit the NC6 form again and I wouldn't be eligible for exported electricity to be backdated to the original submission date.

    I phoned the installer and they were understandably annoyed to hear this and committed to follow up. 5 minutes later the installer issued an email to the very same ESBN email address requesting confirmation of receipt of the original NC6 form (as submitted on 30th January) and a few minutes after that again a response came confirming receipt on the 30th January. I phoned ESBN customer support a few minutes later to request an update and they told me they received the NC6 form applicable to my MPRN and MEC status would run from date of receipt i.e. 30th January.

    Long story short ..the system works...sort of. You really need to chase and harry ESBN it would seem though to make sure your NC6 does not go astray!!

    5.6kWp - SW (220 degrees) - North Sligo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    @Jonathan do you think you could update the FAQ with the ESB email address? Maybe use @Granolite post as an example of why you need to follow up post-install.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    As said earlier Im with Bord Gais for electricity and gas... Theyve offered me a FIT of 18.50 cent.

    If I sign up to it will it trigger a Smart Meter install?



  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,394 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Export units are back on our bill this cycle with Energia after them being missing from the previous bill (they were there the bill before that).



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