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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Cloudio9


    Wetherspoon's January sale has pints of Dungarvan copper coast for as low as €2.20 in Swords (€1.95 in pubs outside Dublin). They have pints of ale for 99p in Belfast but that would be illegal here.

    Hope beers in Gibneys in Malahide are 40 cents per pint cheaper than Heineken which is up to a whopping €7.30 now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Bar I work in in Limerick city centre. Most would be in a similar price range in town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Just tried this, very enjoyable. AFAIK they're new enough on the block.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    Fairly new. Declan from Otterbank is brewing for them (on their own kit). Not seen any available on shelves myself yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Only went up the other day. I believe there's a keg downstairs as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Got to visit Underdog yesterday for the first time in the new location. Nice! Gotta love a pub with more types of imperial stout (4, I think) than lager (a pils and a Helles)!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    UD have had a couple on tap since they've reopened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Beanstalk


    Good to know. They'll be excellent quality so. great to ahve another local brewery. They could definitely work on the label design a little but I can't wait to taste them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    Assume this will end up being brewed in Dunfanaghy?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Afaik, Declan was asked to be technical advisor to set up the brewery and ended up helping out with brewing. He's due down tomorrow so will find out.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    The brewery is in the Caisleáin Óir Hotel. Been going about a year now. Bought the old kit from the Finn Valley Brewery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    Finn Valley

    Old Mill

    Muckish Mountain

    Evans

    Boghopper

    Donegal had seen a fair share of breweries come and go? Or is it pretty much the same as most counties?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Muckish Mountain was never a brewery; Evans wasn't much more than a homebrew set-up, while Finn Valley and Boghopper got someone else to take over the gear without leaving the county. Compare that with Wexford where Jack Doyle's, Drew Fox and YellowBelly are gone gone as full scale production breweries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,026 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Didn't realize Yellowbelly were gone as some of their beer is still around. Really liked their stuff as they were into doing interesting non pale/IPA beer.

    I could be wrong but I think Limerick was Treaty, JJ's and then Crew in that order with no closures. A pretty manageable amount for what should be one of the bigger markets in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Is JJs still going? Never see that beer in pubs around Limerick



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,026 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Mostly seems to be in offies. Number 21 in Punches has it and Off the Bone restaurant.

    Definitely still going anyway.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    Yellowbelly being brewed at Dundalk Bay now. Don't think the specials will be getting brewed though. Seems to just be the core range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    YB's website won't connect for me and their Twitter hasn't been posted on in months.

    Late 2019 I was grabbing a few Citra off the shelf in my local Molloys and a staff member told me that was the last batch of YB stock they'd be getting in - they were concentrating on the pub trade from then on. Seemed a very odd decision and of course it wasn't long before Covid forced a reversal. Ironically they're now in places like Dunnes which they never were in the Before Times. Don't recall seeing anything from them not core range in a long time though.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I'm drinking almost no beer these days but just happened to have a Hope Dublin Porter (their winter seasonal) yesterday. Really impressed with it - one of the best porters I've had in a long while.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Hope are one of those breweries who wouldn't be a go-to for me, and yet any of their beers I've tried I've really liked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Their Handsome Jack IPA is one of the better regularly produced IPAs here imo, constantly good, clear and a decent bitterness.

    It's almost impossible to get a proper piney, resiny bitter IPA anywhere in Ireland any more, outside of imported Sierra Nevada stuff like Torpedo or the Celebration that comes out for xmas. Irish breweries are seemingly afraid of bittering, early addition hops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Yeah would have to agree, I regularly pick up some Jaipur in lidl for a break from the haze



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Most of those "juicy" NEIPAs taste the same, I doubt many people have the wherewithal to distinguish between all the different hop strains, especially if they aren't listed on the can, and you get some amount of fart-sniffing reviews and brewery propaganda about grams per litre and double and triple dry hopping and what have you.

    And great, I don't dislike NEIPA, but for the love of Ninkasi, stop labelling them IPA when that is an already established term. Worse are these clowns putting the words "west coast" on beers that are hazy, have damn all bitterness, or have no malt profile at all.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    As a rule I now rarely buy anything listed as an IPA if the ingredients list contains oats. Cue me standing in Tesco checking the labels of about 20 different cans and then leaving empty handed.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    If you like Torpedo and West Coast style IPAs, definitley worth checking out Cigar City Jai Alai if you haven't... It's billed as an 'American IPA' rather than being West Coast style, but it's clear, resiny and hoppy, which is enough for me anyway.

    Back to Hope - I have liked their Hop-On session pale ale too, and they did a red IPA a while back that was great. One of the reasons I buy them is they're from just down the road and I like to support local and to imagine the fresher beer tastes better.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    The Galway Bay west coast IPA is a lifesaver in this regard, but there should be loads more like it. I haven't had Galway Hooker's 60 Knots in a while, but that's a fairly easily-got clear IPA in regular production.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,149 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I could have written this, word for word (apart from, "I don't dislike NEIPA" bit).

    Another vote for Handsom Jack, here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    I picked up some Dankful, Torpedo and (with some trepidation) some Cold Torpedo last evening, along with some Scraggy and Handsome Jack.

    Scraggy and HJ are probably around the same IBUs. But may as well be pale ales compared to the SN stuff.

    I'll do a side by side with the two Torpedos later this evening probably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    I often pick it up in Supervalu when passing through Kilmallock. I really like their beers, especially the Abbey stout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but wouldn't WW Mammoth another contender?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    for what? to sit alongside Scraggy and Handsome Jack as token efforts at bitterness from an Irish brewery?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    Torpedo is a 7.2% IPA, not really right to compare it to Scraggy and HJ. A fairer comparison would at least be to have it alongside Thumper or even Crossroads. Not sure what the Hope equivalent would be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Actually yeah I'd forgotten about Crossroads. I'll pick up a couple in McHugh's this evening.


    Thumper is a Hazy IPA right? Does it have high IBUs?

    I don't believe Hope have anything in that sort of style



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    No haze in Thumper, that'd be Big Bunny.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Why Crossroads but not handsome Jack for comparison?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    My mistake, I was thinking Handsome Jack was their circa 5% IPA. I've not had it in years so can't really remember what it's like either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    there was no Thumper in McHugh's but I did get some Crossroads. Also got some Mammoth as suggested.


    Will get on them over the weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭JoeLapira


    Picked up some Stony Grey from Brehon Brewhouse over weekend. Another one to add to the list of piney resinous no haze IPAs that we really need to start seeing more of!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Haven't had that in years, must revisit it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Pen Rua


    Whiplash seem very quiet these days, especially compared to their hectic release schedule of days gone by.

    Galway Bay still haven't released their 2022 barrel aged big boys, despite their being at beer festivals they seem to be at according to Instagram.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    A few seem to have slowed the non-core releases - more going to kegs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    I was just thinking this as well. I know Jan is a quiet time in general for new releases from Irish brewers but it definitely seems more quiet so far in Feb compared to this time last year. I guess time will tell as we move into March/April but it does seem like the several new beers every week from various brewers might be a thing of the past due to costs/inflation/economic downturn etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Well I am buying less cans/ bottles now, as we're going out more. And the locals that have local breweries are core range only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Same. And I've noticed all my friends have more or less stopped stocking-up and drinking 1/2 cans a night, in favour of going out one big night at the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,026 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I remember a while back a lot of London breweries running into (good) trouble trying to get specials out because kit was maxed out on increased demand for core.

    There is a lot of money to be made and still a big gap in the macro market for a brewery just banging out a simple IPA



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    I don't understand why none of them have done this - apart, possibly, from the hope that IPAs wouldn't catch on because they're more expensive to make? Cute Hoor was a sugary mess, the Smithwicks non-red ales I've had once each and wondered what they're trying to do and why they bothered. Still, I guess it's a good thing overall that they haven't, there's then still a gap in the market for the craft breweries!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    At this time of year a lot of breweries will have their tanks full of beer due to be shipped to Europe for St.Patrick's Day. So that will limit capacity for specials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,026 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They tried and we're useless at it so instead just bought out the likes of Fran Well, Beavertown and Camden.

    Generally though in Ireland things like IPA and pale are still only drank by people who know the breweries. Also to use Limerick as an example macro won't do well because most decent pubs have Harris on draught which will even appeal to people who don't know breweries. So buying breweries or massive retros to exclude micro are the only way to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I've tried a few of the diageo attempts at ales, and wouldn't (and haven't) bothered again. When I've been in a macro only pub with those options I just go Guinness (Beamish if in luck) or Smithwicks rather than buy them. It's probably a bit catch 22 though, as those pubs probably use the lack of sales of the fake craft to justify not having mircos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,026 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    A lot of pubs for various reasons don't really care what they sell. Guinness for the auld locals or Heineken for the match nights is all they need.

    You also have a woeful amount of talentless publicans in Ireland that need to be spoonfed. They literally would not be able to cope with ordering from and working out GPs for craft beer never mind being able to clean the lines themselves or knowing why thats important.



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