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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Story sounds about as plausible as the Ukrainian mobilization document quoted here just before this, i.e. not very.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat



    That Geoffrey Roberts guy claiming Russian has taken about 100K casualties with 20k of those dead, while Ukraine has 150K dead and several hundred thousand wounded, seems actually scared to me tbh, he seems to think the west needs to surrender and agree to Putler's demands before we're all destroyed.


    People pay good money to go to Uni in Cork to listen to this Russian asset and puffed up spoofer?

    Post edited by ZeroThreat on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Pro commie shill thinks it's all NATOs fault and regularly appears on RTE pushing his false narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,308 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, so I looked around and also found it mentioned on a Russian site also. Along with a copy of a report which mentions assault and sexual assault on an NTV. Indeed, could be fake, but will see if any further mentions of it

    https://pikabu-ru.translate.goog/story/v_melitopole_iznasilovali_zhurnalistku_i_izbili_operatora_kanala_ntv_9899793?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    We need to get this imbecile off the air. Only an idiot could think that either side are dying at a rate of 8:1 in this war.

    When Germany and the Soviet Union invaded Poland during WW2, the kill ratio was about 3.5:1 against Poland.

    When the British (armed with guns and canon) invaded the Zulu Kingdom (armed with spears), the killed ratio was about 3.5:1 against the Zulu's.

    Those were two completely lob-sided wars, are we really to believe that a more finely balance war has a death rate over twice that in favour of the other side?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,308 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Not familiar with him, but he has a lot of complaints in the Irish Times I see.

    To quote him: “because of its overwhelming superior firepower, Russia is winning a war that Ukraine cannot but lose, irrespective of the amount of western military aid or ‘wonder weapons’ it receives” and that as “there is no sign the Kremlin’s war machine is running out of steam . . . Ukraine has little or no hope of recovering lost territories”.

    In July last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭maebee


    Apologies if off topic but just home from a week in Tenerife. Russian family beside us every day at the pool. Mom, Dad, 15 year old son and 12 year old son. The 15 year old was constantly trying (to our 4 minds, drown his younger brother). He kept holding him under water, thumping him, stretching his arms etc. A lady next to us, from Manchester, was, like us, watching in horror and spoke to the lifeguard, who spoke to the unconcerned parents. The Life Guard told us that this was typical behaviour from Russian guests at their hotel. So @technocrat, you are correct. Russia is a nation of disgusting savages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I'm sure it will be denied,

    They have a belief that they are somehow superior, despite spending 60/70 years hiding behind a wall and living in a time capsule, meanwhile the the rest of us invested in democracy, freedom, innovation and technology



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Putin's modus operandi, in all regions of interest to him, is the same. Cause tension and then roll in, pretending to be solving the problems.

    NATO was never a problem either, all this is because of Putin's, and/or Russia's, superiority complex.

    The language issue is a "red herring" too, being a speaker of Russian only is no indicator of allegiance to Russia. This I know.

    It's very simple - Putin is really, really bad.

    Actually, I don't care what you think. I'm simply proliferating a decent and moral perspective.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    Jesus Christ here we go again. Ukraine is WINNING.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    "As for President Putin being "very bad" I can tell you each and every leader in rhe western alliance against him is a hell of a lot worse."

    Most of them haven't invaded neighbouring countries, though. There's a reason why Putin's circle of friends has been reduced to the likes of North Korea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Vuhledar.

    This is likely accurate, the Russians have been very quiet about this sector in the last few days for obvious reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Why the need to wear oversized underwear though ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    There are a few of them on here that think the ratio is 10:1 in favour of Ukraine - seemly because they spend most of the day watching drone footage of Russians getting blown to bits and have a completely 1 sided view of the war.

    1 Leopard 2 would destroy 50 Russian tanks...

    However to have similar nonsense from UCC professor is shocking...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Exactly. If I was a betting man I'd say Bakhmut falls in 3 weeks but I'd gladly take 3 months or never. All we can do is wait and see but I never expected it to see February under Ukrainian control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭NeutralHandle


    Yeah it is. This sort of idea is something I was reading about in an effort to try to understand why Russia has been behaving the way it has for the last twenty years of whatever it is. Specifically, I read Modern Russian Politics, by a lecturer in UL. It is an interesting book that looks at a lot of different dimensions, but the discussion of this idea felt like an ah-ha moment for me, as I felt it gave me a bit more insight into something that generally confuses me.

    I don't think he referred to the term cultural genocide, but said something along the lines of Russia/Putin perceiving a war of civilizations, and that their civilization is under existential threat. A cultural colonization. And obviously the americanization of a lot of countries is a thing. There is even a song by the Red Hot Chili Peppers about it. It just isn't seen as anything other than a cultural phenomenon to most people.

    To us in general their view makes no sense, so we tend to dismiss it as being unreasonable and largely deception and propaganda. However, one important thing to recognise in this mindset is the idea that they see themselves involved in a war with the West for a long time, which is being fought in many different dimensions. An actual physical military war for them is just a different phase in the overarching conflict.

    My own frame of reference for it is to think of the game Civilization 3. In this game you could influence rival cities and even colonize them if your cultural influence in the area was stronger than theirs. You didn't need to be engaged in a war to do this. So that is my concept of the Russian concept of a war of civilizations. I don't know how accurate it is, and I don't agree with their world view at all, but I do think that only by trying to actually understand their view can any constructive dialog be achieved outside of what can be physically forced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭Field east


    Whatever about comparing various soverign leaders re which were the worst/ are ‘bad’ I think that we have to go back to the 2nd world war to see such utter physical destruction and the deliberate targeting of non miletary buildings/infrastructure. that was over 80 years ago- have we not moved on since. It is shocking to see the utter levelling of cities , towns and villages , field after field pockmarked with bombs. My general understanding of wars - especially between nations is DIRECT combat. ARMY fighting ARMY .

    But Putin is bombing, attacking, mining anything that moves and anything that does not move and if the Ukr are seen to be still benefiting from something it will attack/bomb that also - be it in earth or otherwise. And the more Ukr killed - miletary or otherwise the better. What other leader has gone to such lengths in the current CENTUARY and get away with it. Please tell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,099 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'd imagine there will be more and more "no's' to equipment if Russia starts making more gains. It's a hard one for the west because what do you do when you turn convinced Ukraine will more than likely lose?

    You don't want to risk your equipment either being destroyed or falling in to Russian hands.

    Ukraine has to keep the west convinced they can win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling



    Why couldn't one Leopard or Abrams tank take out up 40 + Soviet era tanks.

    We know Russian losses in men , vehicles armor and aircraft haven't been seen since WW2 ,is it 10:1 possibly yes , could be 8:1 but people on here will argue anything to make it look like Russia are winning.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,942 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    In WW2 the German V Soviets union soldier killed in fighting was 1-2 to3.5 depending on figures sourced. Factor in that Hitler's interference and insistence on holding unviable positions as well as counterattacking when an army should be retreating especially in the last few months of the war

    No Zulu's with spears there. Russia has a history of not caring about death ratios.

    WW1 the ratio was 1-2.5 approximately.

    A leopard dose not change its spots

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,059 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Not really sure what point you are trying to make?

    There is only one aggressor here - Russia.

    The US is a signatory to the Budapest agreement, and Russia's actions in Ukraine are a violation of the NATO-Russia Founding Act and the Helsinki agreements which it incorporates.

    One of the reasons Russia is invading is to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO in the future, which is Ukraine's right as a sovereign nation as outlined in the above agreements to choose its own security arrangements. That's what it has to do with them. That doesn't make the US or NATO aggressors.

    Russia's actions in violations of those agreements is proof that the justifications cited by Russia for its aggression - and repeated here by those who don't subject it to scrutiny - are without merit or foundation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They claim to be fighting in the Dachas South East of Ugledar, but I havent seen any sources claim they have gained a foothold in Ugledar proper yet (the dense high-rise bit). They all seem to make a distinction between Ugledar and the dachas as if B is not a part of A.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,513 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    realitykeeper threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,014 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    In other words the russian government doctrine believe they are The Borg from Star Trek.

    But individually Russian people crave the western life, Los Angelus, London, Milan. Someone once said one way to end the war before it started was for the EU to issue every russian invader in Ukraine an EU passport. How bloody true that probably would have been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,505 ✭✭✭✭josip


    What kind of constructive dialog can you have with a country that invades its neighbour and behaves as Russia has done (murder, rape, loot, kidnap, oppress,..) ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    How have you come to that conclusion?

    Russia is the only one making progress - slow and very costly but still progress.

    They will throw another 150k men into the fight in the next few weeks which will have received 4-5 months training unlike most of the fodder that was thrown into the fire over the last 4 months. The next few months will be extremely difficult for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,942 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They rape there own

    Will they have 4-5 months training. That would mean they were being trai ed since last September.

    Anyway manpower is not where it is at. As the winter ends western military technology will start to come into play. Fixed positions during the winter gave the Russian a slight edge, however within 3 months mobility will come into play again.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭NeutralHandle


    True, things have gone beyond that point right now alright. It's more hindsight at this stage. A bad combination of two things was involved. One was failing to recognize that they were becoming more and more hostile in stance. The other was empowering them by buying lots of their fossil fuels.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    He's likely right though.

    As I said last year it's *infantile* to think that Ukraine by itself with no other troops from other countries is going to beat Russia in warfare. A negotiated peace last year with autonomy for Donbass and constitutional ban on joining NATO would have been the best outcome for everyone except weapons company shareholders.

    The propaganda is strong though. NATO/UAF have almost total dominance on that front.

    The main thing that people are clinging to at this point is the *apparent* success of the territory capture Ukraine had mid/late 2022 when in fact what they paid for in lives and equipment wasn't worth what they got - a morale boost but most of their reserves at the time expended. Next morale bump was the promise, as that's all it is for now, of new game changing hardware. The horrible reality continues, the daily chewing up of a dug in force facing overwhelming firepower.

    Didn't have to be this way.

    Who will be blamed?



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