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When did coke become socially acceptable?

  • 30-01-2023 08:35PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭slither12


    It's nearly everywhere you go in pubs/nightclubs but I know from talking to a guy in his late 50s, that coke and other drugs had a stigma when he was growing up. I'm wondering when coke became an acceptable drug among a lot of people but the likes of heroin and meth are still stigmatized even among recreational drug users.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,896 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think it's more socially acceptable in certain social circles but not in others I'm 30 and know loads of people who've never been near the stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I don't know, but I noticed too that it seems more acceptable, people talk way more casually about it. I was never really into it myself and now that I'm 50ish myself it just seems way too much hassle, too stressful. But when I was younger it was defo more hush hush, you wouldn't casually talk about it never mind admit to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    I think you would be surprised about those people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭CPTM


    I'm hearing about its rise in Dublin but no one in my wider circle has admitted to taking it. MDMA seems to be a lot more socially acceptable though. It seems like a lot more people are talking about taking that, particular during festival season. And Marijuana obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Dunphy said in the 90s that you can't get good coke in Dublin. He had to apologize. I think it depends on the circles you're running in. It used to be the drug of the money'd classes. I don't think that's true anymore. Maybe it was never true. I know plenty of people who have used it or use it. Teachers, gardai, civil servants, bar staff, farmers, lecturers, hoteliers, servers, kitchen staff, cleaning staff, taxi drivers, doctors, you name it. Some just use it on the weekends. Some use to get through a job they hate.

    I don't think it's just coke. I think drugs are becoming more and more acceptable. I suppose a lot of people feel educated in drugs now, whether through podcasts or their research, and feel more confident in exploration and use. And more defiant on their usage if challenged.

    Of course, it's all too quick to ignore where the money is going and who is being taking advantage of and the places that are being destroyed because of the illegal drug trade. Let's face it, coke comes from dark and dangerous places. The drug lords, like that scumbag Escobar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Doc07


    Coke is big business because it is used by a lot of people and that means plenty of addicts who many would consider to live in ‘poor’ areas. The old thing about Coke being for the rich is a combination of repeated lazy journalism and naivety. The communities ravaged by heroin are the same as those full of Coke now and the exact same demographic dominates. Very little to do with education and podcasts.

    You are dead right on your last point. There is no fair trade Coke. Buying into Coke business is feeding the Kinihans/Hutch in Ireland and more globally the South American cartels who literally cut peoples heads off. I know plenty of rotten industry practices abound in all lucrative trades, mobile phones etc but Apple/Google don’t generally cut their staffs’ heads off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,129 ✭✭✭✭zell12


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I wasn't trying to tie together any of those points in the first paragraph to make any point on addicts or "poor areas." I wouldn't dream of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Doc07


    Sorry didn’t mean to imply you were. I’m also not trying to have a go at addicts, just making point, probably clumsily, that where Coke is rife is where heroin was/is still rife.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,810 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    When the courts started to let coke dealers away with little to no punishment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,980 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I think way back when this ad came out

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    Have I got the wrong end of the stick here...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Fair enough.

    I do think coke is rife in every class of society though. Not just certain areas. Some people have more access to care and a better chance in a court or a better chance of never making it to court because of who they are or who they know. And that's just a fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Neither are great but it is better than Pepsi



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    MDMA seems to be a lot more socially acceptable though.

    He did win 8 All-Irelands



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,361 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    It definitely became a lot less "wink wink nudge nudge" after the rise and fall of head shops. People actively asking who had the bag, making no secret that they were going to the bathroom to do a line, it seemed like everyone was in on it, the club charged in, the lad in the jacks taking hush money, and every second lad was a "dealer" who was up to his bollix in debt trying to sell faster than he could sniff.

    Really happy I've never touched the stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,063 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    It’s not even hidden now. We were at Santa in the Dublin mountains a few years ago. It being really cold the 2 kids were starving so we stopped for food and I had a pint during a pool / utd game. 3 or 4 lads on pints openly passing bags to each other. New York was like that in the late 90’s. Except here it really is cut to fcuk down with sodium bicarbonate. That’s why noses get so runny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    It's rampant. People aren't even discreet doing it these days. Have walked into the toilets in several pubs to see lads doing it openly, not even bothering going into the cubicle.

    Quality of it is mostly shite unless buying it on the dark web or telegram



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Why did all those people confide in you? Gardai and teachers should be more careful about discussing their drug habits. Someone might report them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Coke usage always goes up in times of economic prosperity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Etc


    I was sitting opposite two couples openly doing it on the last DART last Saturday, granted they were pissed but made no effort to hide it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,080 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Stupid expensive drug to go near in my opinion, I thank Danniella Westbrook for the fact I never want anything to do with it. Something seedy and grim about hoovering up god knows what up your nose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You think that's bad. I was on the DART there last week and there were two kids about 7 lashing it into them in front of their mother. She didn't care. They had it in little yellow bags and had special sticky implements to get the coke out of the bags and shovel it into their mouths to rub on their gums.



    I managed to grab the evidence from one kid and took a quick photo of it. The mother went mental and started shouting at me. I'd say she was on it herself. I had to defend myself against the coked up maniac with a few swift kicks. See photo below


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Why would anyone care what other people chose to consume..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,050 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Gardai are not interested in going after users, just the dealers, importers.

    I just did a google news search and can find no stories in the 12 or so pages I scanned, of any offence before the courts.

    the odd person arrested and charged with being in possession for ‘sale and supply’

    Users don’t factor into the minds of law enforcement…so fûck all deterrent to anyone procuring it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I always find it very gimmicky and ingesting it is a fairly awful experience. The state of my nose the following morning.

    It is really crap as well. There are much better drugs out there that you can have a much better time taking.

    If you are lucky enough to get some nice stuff you will make an absolute show of yourself and feel shít for a week after.

    I don't think it is accepted at all, don't tell people if you are taking it, they will only judge you for something that you clearly aren't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Several reasons OP. It's a status thing in some cases (look at me I'm like a celebrity). You can have a big night on it and feel relatively normal the next day as opposed to a feed of drink which can make u want to die. It can be a cheaper night out as in going halves on a bag with a friend is way cheaper than hoofing a load of pints into ya. When I used to take it every now and then it turned me off alcohol so my night was way cheaper and finally it makes u feel really really good way more than booze does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,063 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    The greedist drug I ever took or shared. Meeting up with the boys in ny we'd have $50 bag each or maybe 2. But you and everyone else kept an emergency stash for themselves. Me included. The country is swamped with it . Not just the cities but every town and pub. Been there done that and escaped the other side. As for clowns who make coke joints ??? Not worth a fcuk ! I've seen lads smoke it and act high ( usually teenagers and early 20's ) . You might as well throw in a fire. You have to change the chemical compound to a base to smoke it. Hence the name free basing . I bought a great book years a day years ago on the subject ,I think by Dominic Streatfield , Know your enemy and all that .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭sporina


    wow - none of my mates smoke let alone take drugs.. tis is all news to me



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Confide?!?! 🤣

    You should try socializing and keep the oul eyes open.



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