Bord Bia Audit

Of course it is? Are you saying it’s already part of the audit? What section?

given the subjective nature of visually interpreting docility by a bordbia bia inspector then I don’t see how it can be part of the assessment to qualify as “quality assured”. If it is then it’s even more bullshite than most of the audit.

Boom and it's being written by Larry. The new 20c qps payment will be a Larry scheme.

QA for life was mentioned in one of the grant thornton beef reports for the taskforce. It was the customers were looking for it. As was a reduction of moves

Reducing the amount of moves could have a huge benefit, similar to the china trade. It would remove QA from feedlots.

Biggest hit will be the weanling/yearling to store farmer and the 7months summer grazers. Could be a crutch that might take some of the smaller part timers out aswell Also the mart trade especially in smaller marts will be hit.

The signal has been coming for a while and it's something that if it affects you, you need to be potentially planning a system change

I doubt even the most docile of continental cattle would willingly stand quietly in a field while a complete stranger walks about them. This could only be something thought up of by someone in D4.

I've seen the most docile of dairy cull cows becoming aggressive in a factory lairage. I know because I would have loaded and transported them without issue.

You do know that half of Australian beef has been treated with growth hormones.

It's always said if they want the suckler man gone then they will get rid of him, but forget about retirement payments, they'll simply bury him in red tape and make it a torture for him to continue.

The suckler man is'nt exiting the system fast enough for the governments liking, hence a whole bunch of new "schemes" with more bullshit rules to abide by.

Now i don't for a minute think the docile scoring for cattle will ever come into it simply because it's impossible to police it, funny enough it would benefit me if it did, i pour-on my cows in the field every year, no need for a crush!

"Wild cattle make tough beef, there’s a direct correlation."

As does stress, dehydration and aged/older cattle. You could have the quietest of cattle and they will have become stressed/dehydrated due to travelling time, condition of travelling vis a vie in with other stock, handling by lairage staff, smell in factory, etc, etc.

As I said previously - it's death by a thousand cuts to the suckler herd.

It was brought in because of BSE as a temporary measure. It was allowed to happen because of the IFA.

As an industry we just seem to take everything lying down, i was thinking about it when the rumours of 24 month cattle were making the rounds in the last few weeks.

In fairness the processors would love any chance to not pay the QA to the average man.

As someone pointed out it would very much be a “pro dairy anti suckler move”.

I was just reading the new changes to the Bord Bia audits. The article is "Sweeping changes to Bord Bia audits on the way" and they are certainly sweeping. There is no indication if farmers will be paid for these addition requirements or penalised for not complying with them. Unfortunately the article is subscriber only but I will add the link.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/sweeping-changes-to-bord-bia-audits-on-way-746066

If he was one the rest of his family are running what ever system you are running…..😏

Neighbour has a nice Saler herd! But…..

I squeeze a few from him that are early or late calvers that vet doesn’t do.

They do be lively fellas usually……..

Nailed it on the head. Cattle over time have been domesticated by use. This has involved human interaction on differing level. The more human interaction the better and in positive manner. This maybe moving to a new paddock, A shake of meal etc.

Part time farming and larger herds reduces this time. But it is still no excuse to spending even 5 mins standing around your cattle when herding. Letting 20 cattle roam 60 acres for the summer or herding from the seat of the landcruiser is not helping.

The lack of help is not the issue. Most of this can be sorted simply by good handing facilities and paddocks. By good handling facilities, I mean designed with the animal at the centre. Take a look at the intakes in ABP lairages. The spent money on getting Temple Grandin to input

Introducing new people to stock is also important. The 6 and 4 yr old love to get out and see stock. This more interaction for the stock. Now it usually with the dairy bred calves, with rearing stage and often moving from paddock to paddock. Often in the summer, I would take them herding with me and pick and choose the stock they see in the field. Hold the hands and walk thru the paddock. Cattle will get more and more used to people. Needless to say herd takes 2-3 times longer but the benefits are worth it, personally and on the stock. We have to pick and choose the opportunities that we can introduce new people.

For most people taking 5 mins a day to stand in field with their stock will have huge benefits on the stock but also for the farmers wellbeing

I'm doing the same. Going to wait & see if the criteria change. Most of the other criteria I don't mind as much

Theres talk that farmers are going to have to pay for it. Why should we join it when its no benefit to us. It’s just more restrictions on what we can and can’t do. We will be locked into it if it’s compulsory for the likes of the new BDGP. Why should we be blackmailed into joining. Where is all this rubbish going to end.

So why have both then?

Who exactly is being put off joining?

Lads should view Bord Bia as a mock cross compliance inspection with zero consequences if something is not right. It really is no hassle especially when the first audit only goes back 6 months.

Is the new scheme a fairly big cut back from the two schemes it’s replacing?