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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What she reveals is shocking. Several of her friends i.e. children her own age, along with her grandfather, were killed in Mariupol in different incidents - this would suggest that civilian casualties in the city must have been very, very high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If they were even just badly organized they would have a lot more conquered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Discodog



    Another series had a Russian Intelligence gathering ship getting too close to Faslane. The tone of the English captain was like telling off a child - the Russian ship moved away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,368 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We're not going to find out what the terrorist state did in Mariupol until the city is liberated. The suspicion must be though that many tens of thousands of civilians must have been killed when they were flattening the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    This is the reaction when a British warship got close to Crimea in 2018. I love the commander's comment that there are 17 of them but we have 48 missiles :)




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The Russian army is still present in Ukraine, is learning from it's mistakes, is adapting and retains personnel and equipment superiority over the Ukrainians. If that sounds like might is right, very often it is, whether we like it or not. War is incredibly wasteful of resources and peoples lives and while you might look on Russians tactics as stupid, brutal and excessively wasteful (they are, war tends to like that), it does seem the government retains significant support across the population of the Russian federation for the time being and will not withdraw.

    There is a lot of focus in this thread on the latest wonder weapon from NATO countries, being the solution, there is much less discussion about the current moral and damage to the Ukrainian army over the last 12 months. In the last 2 months, there have been an increased frequency of dead Ukrainian heros showing up in my feed, I'm using that as a proxy to indicate are taking significant casualties.

    I doubt the Ukrainian army has enough manpower or resources to drive the Russians back across the border, after this year they will reach a point where they need manpower from NATO countries to finish the job. Right now, no one is interested in playing for stalemate. Wars of this scale take about 5 years to come to an end. I expect boots on the ground in 2024 and an overall conclusion by 2027. That also means that the countries within the EU (not just NATO) after this current phoney war will be forced to align and it won't be so easy for "Irish neutrality" to circumvent this.

    What the conclusion to the war will be, I have no idea, I am working on the premise, that for the next 5 years we will be living with a war economy in Europe, as more resources are sent in that direction. Even though we don't do the direct fighting in Ireland, the key features of that economy are shortages and rationing and more of a move to command and control economy. You can see this is the shortages of energy and accommodation, and the political response will align if nothing else for expediency and needing a diversion.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,005 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Looks like they are prepping, including backdoor shenanigans to keep people from leaving




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    In a televised address, Mariupol Mayor Vadym Boichenko said it's been difficult to calculate the exact number of casualties since the war began nearly 50 days ago, but his latest estimate was about 21,000 civilian deaths. 4/12/22 https://www.newsweek.com/mariupol-civilian-death-count-could-surpass-20000-mayer-says-1697435

    Note, thats just 50 days in. Apply the principle of not wanting to scare the children and I think there are good reasons no one want's a realistic number for civillian deaths. As they say, the numbers can't be established until an area is recaptured and then there's the problem of the filtration camps and the 2 million that made it out of those and were kidnapped to Orcistan.

    I think it will be found that filtration camps were death camps and a lot never left on two legs, or that there were two streams shipped to Russia, with one ending in graves or crematoria there where the attrocity could be effectively covered up. I wonder if US intelligence has been monitoring the heat output from known crematoria for any significant increase?

    It's not a nice topic to think on. I said days into this conflict that a Ukrainian Orc expert at a university in Paris said that they had a comprehensive data set (names, addresses, phone numbers, social media ac's) of at least 2 million people in Ukraine who comprised the core of civil society, that they would be looking for and eliminating. And she was right. We had stories of Orcs knocking on doors in captured areas clutching lists and looking for specific people. It's what the filtration camps are partially for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,005 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    You might want to do a little more research into the Rand corporation if this is your opinion. I'll leave that task up to you though, I'm not your nanny.

    Regarding the Ukraine war, I don't think Russia is doing any favours to itself, but as you say, the idea was to "defang" Russia to use your term. And it might well do so, but at enormous cost to the US. When I cast a glance around the world I see a realignment taking place that is not in the US's favour. When this war is over I feel that the US will find itself more isolated than before, and China more powerful - as the ones who kept out of the fight and made no new enemies in the process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    An SUV with a z-swastika burned down on Altufiyevo Highway in Moscow. Ukrainian DRGs work while Muscovites sleep.

    Nice.



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    “it does seem the government retains significant support across the population of the Russian federation for the time being and will not withdraw.”

    Depends on what exactly you assume. If, in a terrorist, mafia, dictator run state you’ll find very few people openly critical of Putin’s regime, you are correct. Pretty meaningless though.

    As for ‘working’ on this… thanks for confirmation.


    As for “mighty” Russia versus the waking giant of the west proxy fighting against the economic minnow that is Russia, then piss off with your dire warnings. Russia reached peak economic disturbance… give a look at fuel costs.

    Russia has already lost… just takes Russophiles time to realise. Bit like Hitler in HIS bunker commanding devastated divisions thinking he could win the war. Hitler 2.0, same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭mikewest


    it might well do so, but at enormous cost to the US

    You mean at a fraction of the cost of Afghanistan don't you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Pa ElGrande There is a lot of focus in this thread on the latest wonder weapon from NATO countries, being the solution, there is much less discussion about the current moral and damage to the Ukrainian army over the last 12 months. In the last 2 months, .

    That's utter tosh ,

    Ukrainian morale is pretty much high across the board,and they have increased in size both in power and equipment, vehicles and armor along with heavy artillery and aircraft,

    I think your showing nothing but a pure bias towards the Kremlin and it's propaganda



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    WW1 was the catalyst for the US to become a dominant world power.

    Somehow I don’t think the US will come out too bad from this. No need to worry about them.

    As for Russian ordinance, unless turret tossing becomes a competitive sport or stationary Russian military aircraft come into vogue as decorative pieces it’s not looking too promising for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Lol

    Rand Corp: how to destroy Russia

    Rand analysts estimate that Russia’s greatest vulnerability is that of its economy, due to its heavy dependency on oil and gas exports. The income from these exports can be reduced by strengthening sanctions and increasing the energy exports of the United States. The goal is to oblige Europe to diminish its importation of Russian natural gas, and replace it by liquefied natural gas transported by sea from other countries.

    Another way of destabilising the Russian economy in the long run is to encourage the emigration of qualified personnel, particularly young Russians with a high level of education. In the ideological and information sectors, it would be necessary to encourage internal contestation and at the same time, to undermine Russia’s image on the exterior, by excluding it from international forums and boycotting the international sporting events that it organises.

    In the geopolitical sector, arming Ukraine would enable the USA to exploit the central point of Russia’s exterior vulnerability, but this would have to be carefully calculated in order to hold Russia under pressure without slipping into a major conflict, which it would win.

    https://strategic-culture.org/news/2019/05/23/rand-corp-how-destroy-russia/

    That's from 2019. All good except the last part, they understimated Ukraine.

    It's as if Putin read that report and decided to take actions designed to ensure every suggestion was implemented: '...that's the gas exports taken care of, now let's see, if we announce a mobilisation to feed people into a meat grinder, the smart ones will all leave the country...I like it, we shall do that.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    I don't mean from the conflict itself, but due to the fallout after the conflict, in the medium to long term owing to the realignment of the world.

    All those countries that no longer feel they have to toe the US line because internationally the US has become relatively weaker in relation to up-and-coming countries like the BRICS with China at the head of the list. I believe that this war will speed up the process of 3rd countries moving away from the US sphere of influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Yes, that was back in 2019 ... but now the Rand Corp has changed its opinion, and wants the US to push for a settlement. I posted the link upthread.

    Take the matter up with them, I'm just the messanger here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Let's imagine a wonderful world of china, iran , Belarus, India as some kind of utopia that's going to rule the world,

    It's not going to happen



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    China is totally reliant on the West for its economy. Do they loathe the west, sure. Are they stupid enough to do a Russia, after they see Russia humiliated, resorting to spitting out their dummy, threatening to fire nuclear weapons… impotent rage? I don’t think so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No, you might want to do a bit more research...

    These Think Tanks like Rand, are a means to try and pressure politicians and sell the policy viewpoints of filthy rich people who want government to do their bidding, thus circumventing democratic principles and processes. Most filthy rich people in the US would tend to be right leaning, and that's certainly the case with Charles Koch. What you are touting as some sort of 'independent' and intelligent view is actually just a very wealthy Republican businessman trying to influence a Democrat president, and any Republican Congressmen/Senators who don't agree with him and support Ukraine and the current US direction.

    You have been suckered, basically.

    If you look at the bottom of the article you originally linked to, you will see that the article was sponsored:

    This effort was sponsored by Peter Richards. Initial funding for the Center for Analysis of U.S. Grand Strategy was provided by a seed grant from the Stand Together Trust.

    Dig a little further and you will find.

    The New American Engagement Initiative started in 2020 at the Atlantic Council, with $4.5 million of support from the Charles Koch Institute. The funding organization bore the name of the right-wing billionaire known for his libertarian policy inclinations and has since been rebranded as Stand Together, which has also donated to other research institutions, like the Chicago Council on Global Affairs and the RAND Corporation.

    Which means you are batting for the Orcs, because Koch certainly is and your precious 'independent' Rand corp piece is nothing less than pro Putin shilling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,432 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You said the RAND corporation was important, it will be up to you to show it as such in the context of the Ukraine/russian conflict.

    What is your peace plan?

    russia is working to defang themselves, no one was interested in doing so up till February last year, the fact that their fangs were already blunt pre-operation is a humongous miscalculation by putin (their impotent war effort has made NATO even more powerful to the extent that third party countries are now receiving modern equipment to use against russia, this was unthinkable in January last year). That you are still shilling for russia is also no surprise.

    As repeated often, the cost to the US is a pittance vs. what they were spending on military preparedness already, that you keep going on about the cost to the US shows how inept your position is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The Iranian defence ministry says it has foiled a drone attack on a military facility in the city of Isfahan.

    The ministry said three drones were involved but there were no casualties.

    One drone was destroyed by air defence systems and two were caught by "defence traps", causing minor damage to a building, the ministry added.

    The extent of damage to the site has not been confirmed by the BBC, and there has been no immediate claim of responsibility.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64445306



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The big explosions across multiple bases and facilities including one that measured 5.4 on the ritcher scale says other wise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Had a good chuckle at some recent posts.

    Ukrainian morale is high! 99% of Moscow would crush Putin!

    RAND Corporation is pro Russian when it's funded by the Atlantic Council!

    Amazing stuff.



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