Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 5/1/24*

Or put us on the naughty step? We couldn’t be having that now.

Surely the frontex database is operational by now. Asylum seekers should be fingerprinted at the airport. If their print matches a pre-existing entry in the DB, send them back to the country in which their application was initially submitted.

This is pretty remedial stuff, despite the protestations of some posters that it’s simply impossible. It’s difficult to decipher if those posters are naive or disingenuous. I suspect it’s the latter..

What rainfall, what clouds? This is urbanization in both countries.

The Lisbon treaty we signed up to gave us that right to refuse entry unless someone can quote otherwise. Surely we weren’t lied to when voting?

It doesn't really have to. We learned how to read maps and aerial photography in school.

Notice a correlation?

No drought in the UK either. This photo from NASA we are discussing was from this week.

The UK saw 159.8mm of rain, which is 30% more than average. In more granular detail, England saw 133.9mm (45% more than average), Wales 199.6mm (23% more than average), Scotland 199.6mm (21% more than average) and Northern Ireland 118.7mm (3% less than average).Dec 1, 2022

Ireland also didn't experience drought this winter.

No, the image is literally from this week, as I said in the post you originally replied to. When did you think it was taken?

Higgins has a house in Galway (he had 2 but sold one in 2020 for a tidy profit) and a house in Dublin and lives in the Aras. He can shut up about the housing crisis and climate change until he changes his ways. Haven't heard a mention of him making any of his properties available to people in need. Hes the most champagne socialist of them all. Never mentions that he was a TD and Minister when a lot of the housing policies that are now causing chaos were put into law

Refugees?

People fleeing for their lives?

I suppose I am a migrant having bought my Irish passport after Brexit.

One of the nicest things about leavig England was saying goodbye to the blind hate and bigotry that was the driving force for Brexit.

The "them and us" attitude is just spawning violence now and the latest disgusting scandal is the "losing" of child refugees by the home office.

The attitude being, they should have stayed home.

If you want a self centered society where everyone looks after number one, you are welcome to it.

No one rejected my Irish ancestors and more recent relatives when they hit hard times here, what on earth is wrong with giving migrants a hearing?

Some of the migrants that went to England turned out to be rotten eggs and still are, but they have been welcomed into the Tory party and are totally happy being as bad as any National Front member you are likely to meet.

What's driving the xenophobia here, in Britain it's the Tory gutter press, but I get the impression that the English tabloid garbage doesn't do so well in Ireland.

Brits used to moan about housing and services before Brexit, then after Brexit their Polish builders and care workers went home. Not refugees I know, but the reality is that the ones that complain don't know or care about the differences between refugees, migrant workers and asylum seekers.

How can the Irish housing crisis be caused by refugees or asylum seekers? The overwhelming number of asylum seekers are living in direct provision centres, temporary group accommodation in large buildings, hotels, army barracks etc. None of this has any impact on the availability of houses and apartments in the State.

Where have I said that the housing crisis is caused by refugees or asylum seekers? I've said that the housing crisis is caused by a number of factors, including government policy on housing and on immigration, which has caused the population to surge from 3.5 million to 5 million in the space of twenty years. More than half of applicants for social housing in Fingal were born outside Ireland according to the 2011 article below. Fingal co Council has since stopped recording the nationality of applicants, surprise surprise. 🙄 If you don't think a population increase that dramatic and that sudden has put immense pressure on every single public service, resource and amenity, including housing, you're untethered from reality.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/news/over-half-on-housing-list-are-foreign-27973856.html

For sure, but experts said this week in a report that Ireland will need to build 60,000 houses a year for the next 25-30 years, starting right now. That would strongly indicate that demand for housing is coming not from refugees or asylum seekers, but from the domestic Irish population. Refugee demand for housing would represent only a very small fraction of those numbers.

Nonsense. The ‘domestic’ Irish population grows by ~30K annually. Net migration of Irish nationals is typically slightly positive or slightly negative. Unless every Irish national, contributing to future population growth, requires two houses a-piece, your claim is incorrect.

Future demand for housing will be substantially migration-driven. Economic migrants who will compete with Irish nationals for private and affordable housing. Asylum seekers / refugees who will primarily populate social housing lists. To pretend otherwise is utterly disingenuous, but par-for-the-course.