Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

I did have a wry smile when I saw O'Gs tweet to would be asylum seekers, not verbatim but along the lines of "We have no accommodation, so if you are currently in a place of safety please stay there"

Now would someone please tell me how someone other than an economic migrant would leave a "place of safety" to come to Ireland under International Protection. Protection from what I wonder?

Regarding our International obligations, I am not in the loop about the legalities of the 1951 declaration, but we as a country are contributing a huge whack of cash under the International Aid Program to many of the countries from which we are taking in asylum seekers. What is going on, is International Aid money from all over the globe not helping these countries sort themselves out or what? Maybe another flippin scandal waiting to break.

So there we are on a Friday Night. Enjoy the weekend.

Currently at pretty much full employment while still retaining access to EU migrant workers

This is a fine example of the kind of bullsh1t that the current circumstances can lead to.

Our international obligations and the additional pressure of the Ukrainian invasion are replicated all over the Western World and are not the fault of the current Government parties. In other words, if a majority Sinn Féin government was elected tomorrow, nothing would change around this.

However.

The current circumstances are absolutely not sustainable. They just aren't. Whether that be the US southern border, or the Greek Islands or the English Channel or the Straits of Gibraltar or wherever.

Lets face it, by comparison, we have it pretty lightly in Ireland.

But no, the current model of industrial scale wholesale criminal human trafficking cannot continue. It can't.

There is a tinder box of resentment building up in so many Countries that it may well kick off an international protest against mass migration the likes as hasn't been seen for a hundred years.

Yes, some it is plain old fascist xenophobia, but we'd be fools to think a huge chunk of it isn't just ordinary working people seeing their earning power disappear and their kids not being able to buy houses and not being able to get Doctor's appointments and they will turn nasty.

I wish I could suggest what is to be done about documentless migration and international protection and criminal trafficking and exploitation, but I do know it won't be solved nationally. It has to be as a new charter of the UN, with local support on the ground in the main sources of this migration.

The old saying goes, cook a fish for someone and feed them for a day, teach them how to fish and feed them for life. We've got to help people that need it, in their own Countries and make disruptive economic migration unattractive or the societal consequences in both origin and destination places will be profound.

A few generations ago more than a million uneducated, penniless, non english speaking disease ridden immigrants left Ireland and went to the United states seeking refuge from famine and economic warfare against the Irish by the English

America was built by those immigrants and refugees,

Modern Ireland was built by Polish and eastern European and Turkish migrants during the celtic tiger era

Ireland has overwhelmingly benefitted from migration on both sides of the balance sheet, and the world has hugely benefitted from Irish migrants both voluntary, and refugee migrants.

I absolutely hate your small minded anti humanity rhetoric

We cannot abandon humans seeking refuge.

We need to reduce the causes of unwilling migration. Unwilling, is where people were forced to leave their homes against their will by circumstances against their control.

The things we control here, are the western supported arms dealerships that send weapons to war torn regions to be used against civillians

and economic policies that allow unfair exploitation of assets that displace local peoples

And climate change policies that will result in millions of climate refugees (people displaced due to excessive heat, floods, drought, famine, resource conflicts exacerbated by climate change)

So what are our options going forward in a world where up to 20% of the global population could become displaced through conflict and environmental changes?

Some of those measures would have been to simply not allow the banks to exceed traditional lending limits and to prevent sub prime lending by the likes of Anglo Irish Bank

If we're not going to put pressure on our 'friends' to not commit atrocities, we should be prepared to take in the victims of those crimes and help them to recover.

If we are to have any notion that we as a nation uphold values of justice or compassion

Refugee from what?? If the place they resort to refugee becomes exactly like the place they left. Hows that work exactly? This not going to be nice but I'll say it. If ya cant grow a weed outside your back door dont have 11 plus kids. I can grow lettuce in my flower box outside my window according to my green leader. But I can only afford 2 kids to provide shelter and food in my western lifestyle. Maybe there's a moral to the story there huh?

Said all the racists who opposed Irish immigration to america during the famine

You are the one who said Ryan is taoiseach in your scenario

Christ, you don't even have the integrity to support your own hypothetical scenario

I'm pretty sure I could find loads of examples of 'Americans' living in Boston or New York or Newfoundland who said those exact sentiments about the Irish coming in escaping from the famine

'They can't feed themselves because they have too many kids'

'If ya cant grow a weed outside your back door dont have 11 plus kids.'

Like, there were definitely american residents saying the irish shouldn't be allowed into america just because they were rubbish at growing potatoes....

It's about time we dropped the lolly pops and rainbows view.

Michael Martin had zero issue stating that there would be no limit to the amount of refugees we would take - all for a quick soundbite and a pat on the head from his superiors

And they come and he has no where to put them

What a f**king fool.

And those Irish immigrants (of which I am one) were given free accommodations by America and given money to live and given free medical care.

Ireland's hard line on the Single Market has led to a radicalisation of the Tories

Too funny. 😂

It’s time for a radical overhaul of the asylum system in Ireland, and frankly across the broader EU. Whilst zero asylum is unlikely, it should be re-framed as ‘minimal’. Some initial policies include:

1. Application is not entertained if you destroy your documentation having previously boarded a flight.
2. Cross an EU border in an irregular manner and you’re immediately returned to the third party country from which you entered.
3. Your application will be heard within three months with zero appeals. If rejected, you either self-deport or you will be forcibly removed.
4. Commit a crime of any nature whilst waiting on adjudication of your claim and you shall be forcibly removed.
5. If you’ve submitted an asylum claim in another EU member state, you will be returned there for processing.
6. Accommodation provided whilst waiting on adjudication of your application will be basic, dormitory style. Your basic nutritional and medical needs will be met. You do not have access to education or the labor market.

Some initial thinking to achieve the minimal asylum target. Longer term, the EU should look at establishing safe zones in North Africa and the Middle East.

Asylum claims are processed from there and only those claims submitted from these newly established locales shall be entertained. Those who prove to have a legitimate claim are distributed across the EU block in an equitable manner.

How many new arrivals became homeless last night? How many more tonight...the public are in for a shock in the next few weeks. The scale of this crisis will become very visible on the streets in a way it has never been up until now.