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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,134 ✭✭✭This is it


    Starting to get a lot more Daft alerts the last few days. Some are re-advertised, I didn't have the original price noted, but seems to be more activity. That's for houses around the 400k mark in Blanch, Lucan, Leixlip areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Same, I mostly keep an eye on Limerick, prices mostly in the 300k range, that was the 200k range a year ago, no price collapse down here yet anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭Mr Hindley


    It does feel like things are revving up again after going very quiet just before Christmas - a number of properties I was watching have just gone sale agreed after being around for a good while. I was within half an hour of going sale agreed after winning one bidding war and a new bidder sauntered in and bid over me, grrrr. I'm thinking that things won't be as nuts as this time last year, but we're going to see a flurry of new buyers on the hunt, with new supply post-Christmas not coming online yet to match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭Villa05


    About time and add defaulting on 2 mortgages,




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals



    Shocked this development has been overturned!


    Plan for 1,600 apartments in Drumcondra is blocked by High Court



    Paul Hyde approved this from the ABP side, not a great start in fairness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Only way to achieve the numbers required is to plan a brand new city in the middle of the country properly and build infrastructure first and then houses. There is not a hope of ever catching up with the demand trying to build in Dublin or even the other cities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭enricoh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Im selling my property I had rented for years. It was ready to put on the market in November but all of the EAs I spoke too said keep it until the last week in Feb and then put it up as that was when the market starts to look again. I decided not to wait til the end of Feb but waited til this week and it went up on Monday.

    Already got 4 bids on it over the asking price. The highest by far is a bid from the council, which is over 10% higher than the highest of the other bids. The EA says give it another 2 weeks, get more bids in and go back to the council and ask for another 10% over the highest bid at that point. EA seems to think leaving it any more than 3 weeks on the market is just wasting time as whoever buys it will have been through the door at that point and not likely to get a lot of new interest after that. They did say the councils are mad for property at the moment. Apparently they were told to stop renting and start buying. He reckons the council will go another 10 to 20% easily.

    I really didnt think there would be such interest so fast, but we'll see how it goes. I actually thought the asking price was high before I saw the bidding. Its mad refreshing the page and watching the number of views go up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭mel123


    Is there an official figure of how much property prices went up (interested in Dublin), the past couple of years?



  • Posts: 178 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's very interesting. Is it in Dublin?

    Wondering what the market is like outside Dublin. Volume of new ads on daft/myHome seem to be very slow since November for non urban areas (the ones I'm watching anyway)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,733 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Prices will have to come down, people wont be able to pass the stress tests when rates are 4% plus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    No its not dont be absurd.

    Whats needed are apartments - mid rise apartments, 2 and 3bed apartments with enough space you could actually raise a family in. The space is there in the cities, the infrastructure is there too - the NIMBYism unfortunately, is also there. And for some perverse reason, even with land costs, its more profitable to make semi Ds than apartments on well-located sites.

    That is another issue that needs addressed, how to make build prices cheaper for apartments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Never going to happen though is it. You would think people would realize that by now. How long have they been sayiong the same thing. 10 years? More? Start fresh and build a new city. Put as many apartments as you like and as tall as you like in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    The problem with those kinds of figure is that it really depends on the price of property.

    For example detached houses are far more sought after than semis or terraced or apartments, so will attract more buyers. Then you have the different price brackets too. Some will attract a lot more competition than others.

    I believe its very hard to pin down the property market with one all encompassing figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Not to ask too an intrusive a question but at what level are the council buying houses at? 300k? 400k?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    This is a 2 bed apartment and the council are bidding slightly less than 300k at the minute. EA reckons they will go well over that. He said he is selling a 1 bed apartment in Swords and the council at the moment have bid over €250k on an asking of under 200 and he thinks they will go higher on that too.

    He didnt say exactly but during the conversation i got the impression the council are buying everything they can, including houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭Eclectic Econometrics


    Lol. I am happy for you but even as someone who thinks it is better they buy than rent this is annoying. If you ever want to watch someone really waste money find someone who is shopping that never earned the money they're spending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    I have always been totally against the council outbidding people to buy property too. But in this case, as its my pocket that is the beneficiary, I will make one exception. I will go back to hating them for it after my property is sold, whether they buy it or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    There must be a money tree somewhere. Christ, its one thing buying a house, its another buying one way above asking. Im sure most people would be happy to sell to them at asking (guaranteed to go through, no chain etc).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    But as im only finding out now myself, its the only way to truly find out what the market at any given time will pay for your house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭quokula


    Asking price is just a guide though. Obviously there are advantages to selling where there's no chain and less uncertainty, but I'm not sure every seller will take a lower bid just because of that. As the other poster said, their EA is still expecting other prospective buyers to outbid the council (which suggests the EA knowingly set a low asking price with the assumption it would go up with bidding, as most properties do in my experience)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,733 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Bought my house from the council a few years ago, I'm selling it shortly and they already said they want to activate the buy back clause at the highest offer. I find the thing such a waste of taxpayers money, selling me a discounted house and buying it back a few years later at market value, although I have my suspicions they want to vacate the entire development and redevelop or sell it off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    I find that strange. Why would they overbid on your apartment for over 300k when there are plenty of 3 bedroom houses for sale in Finglas for like 250-270k, same in Coolock, Balymun. Why wouldn't they save their money and buy cheaper properties in areas of council estates.

    I find that very strange.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Sounds very odd for a council to actively communicate in advance they will match the highest offer for a buyback. If they did, what’s to stop you engineering a few bids to whatever price is somewhat reasonable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    If the OP mentioned Swords it is probably Fingal County Council doing the bidding so they have no jurisdiction to buy properties in the cheaper Dublin City Council suburbs you mention. Although I'm sure there are properties within Blanchardstown and Balbriggan (both in Fingal)that are cheaper. It frustrates me too that taxpayer money is spent this way on pricier properties when cheaper ones are available. If less posh neighbourhoods are suitable for tax paying mortgage holders, why can't they be suitable for council tenants?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Talking to a lad in the house building game, he said lenders to small builders doing an estate or two are now charging 12% + interest on loans. Can't see too many builders ramping up supply at that rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,386 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If you had to borrow 60% of the price of a 300k house for 12 months it would add nearly 22k to the cost.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭Villa05


    That may be gone up alot, I think it was close enough to that before rates started going uo

    One would imagine if the government were serious about housing, this would be the first and easiest place to start.

    Wasn't there a fund for low interest loans set up for small builders, but it turned out investment funds were drawing it down.

    I suppose small builders can't afford lobbyists and political donations



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,685 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    This is happening wholesale across each of the Local Authorities in Dublin for a few years now, I'd imagine it's the same elsewhere. I've a good insight into it in my own development by seeing the MUD Act requisitions. The council are hoovering up available supply with insane bids and blowing perspective buyers out of the water in the process. I'm surprised it doesn't get more media attention considering it's a core arch of the Government's Housing for All 'Plan'.

    Instead of focusing predominately on ramping up supply of new builds, the Government are facilitating Local Authorities in engaging in bidding wars and driving up property prices. It's scandalous and will probably result in a Commission of Investigation in a few years.



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