Prep

09-01-2023 1:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120084189#Comment_120084189

Are you blind? How many goddamned times do I have to state that I support a fully funded roll out of free PREP? How do I know more about the subject? I have an experience of it and am trying to get across to you what it actually is because you clearly cannot grasp what it is. Yes it's treatable, but you don't want to fcuking get it because its still incurable. 9 people died in this EU country of AIDS in 2020, Ireland. The treatment does not work for everyone.

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AllForIt · 16-01-2023 12:44am

Prep is a drug for people who are intent on being promiscuous, it's not like a Covid jab.

Therefore it should not be free except for people who have no means, imo.

sitstill · 17-01-2023 12:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120114022#Comment_120114022

That is very judgemental and potentially homophobic.

PrEP is a drug to prevent people who are at high risk of becoming HIV+ from contracting the disease (primarily gay men). It should be fully funded by the state as it is cheaper for the health service to fund PrEP than it would be to treat these infections.

Breezer · 17-01-2023 9:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120114022#Comment_120114022

Like the contraceptive pill, yeah?

AllForIt · 17-01-2023 9:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120122007#Comment_120122007

Not really, contraceptive pills are taken in large numbers by people who are in monogamous relationships, because they don't want or are suspending having offspring. There would be no point in taking Prep in a monogamous relationship, if they are truly monogamous of course.

Breezer · 18-01-2023 10:41am

There would be if one partner had HIV. PrEP is regularly used in this situation.

Contraceptive pills are also used in large numbers by people who are not in monogamous relationships. Should we go back to the days of only letting people who are married access contraception?

No doctor worth their salt judges between “good illness” and “bad illness”. Inhalers are used in large numbers by people who smoke. Diabetes medications are used in large numbers by people who eat the wrong things. Yet all this care is provided for free (albeit sometimes only in hospitals, in this country. Stated Government policy is to move towards universal care, and PrEP is an example of that).

Even if you want to purely look at the economics of it, PrEP is a generic medicine that is available cheaply. HIV treatment is expensive. It makes sense for the taxpayer’s pocket to prevent HIV by paying for PrEP.

AllForIt · 19-01-2023 12:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120123571#Comment_120123571

This is all a socialist policy regarding situations that aren't a 'pandemic'.

This isn't the 1980's and there is no HiV pandemic, therefore people should pay for their drugs if they can afford it.

Breezer · 19-01-2023 12:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120127401#Comment_120127401

So is it “socialism” you’re against, or “promiscuity”? I’m aware it’s not the 1980s. I’m not the one sounding like Reagan here.

I’m far from a socialist, quite the opposite really. However, we live in a society where the elected representatives more or less unanimously agree that healthcare should be universally free at the point of access. You may object to that in principle, and you may have sound economic reasons for that, but if so, you’ve a bigger issue on your hands than free PrEP.

I’m not convinced your argument is primarily a considered, economic one though, because “promiscuity” wouldn’t come into that sort of an argument. It tends to come up in arguments where one person wants to enforce their arbitrary moral standards on everybody else. The type of argument that was common in this country in the 1980s. How was our economy doing back then?

AllForIt · 20-01-2023 4:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120128630#Comment_120128630

It would actually because all gay man are not promiscuous like me therefore i have to pay though a socialist health tax system for other peoples drugs to protect them from the dangers of a lifestyle I have no interest in endorsing.

And I never said I have any objection to promiscuity per se, and I never referenced homosexual promiscuity either, because clearly anyone including heterosexuals can be promiscuous.

All I said was people who are promiscuous, or have regular partners if you prefer since you seem to be so touchy about the term promiscuous, should pay for their drugs.

Count Dracula · 20-01-2023 8:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120127401#Comment_120127401

You don't have a notion what you are talking about.

brownej · 20-01-2023 10:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120132570#Comment_120132570

We can extend this argument, Why should I be paying for your kids to be educated, children's allowance etc. If you choose to have them you should pay for them. This socialist nonsense of education, healthcare etc. If the poor cant afford to live then that seems like a them problem..... And the gays. Well they should know their place.

Trolls be trolling, because if you actually believe that stuff then I pity you...

Breezer · 22-01-2023 12:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120132570#Comment_120132570

All I said was people who are promiscuous, or have regular partners if you prefer since you seem to be so touchy about the term promiscuous, should pay for their drugs.

No issue with the word. My issue is with the idea that an arbitrary moral standard should be used as a criterion for the provision of healthcare.

I’ll leave it there, there’s not a lot I can add.

26-01-2023 12:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120132570#Comment_120132570

Is your first name Enoch?

Maz2016 · 26-01-2023 5:47pm

I got prep for the first time this week myself through a private clinic in Dublin. It will be €130 every 3 months. Pretty straightforward. Urine test, bloods taken and given a 3 month repeat prescription and asked to wait before the doctor calls with the go ahead from bloods results before getting the medication.

bazbai4 · 05-02-2023 12:51am

I moved to Dublin last year for college and have been sleeping around a bit but always use condoms. I don’t mind using them but obviously in an ideal world would prefer to go without. Curious as to others views on this and your reasons for using Prep? Just wondering is it worth going on. I’d have to go public as I couldn’t afford the private cost as a student.

Maz2016 · 05-02-2023 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203698#Comment_120203698

That’s the thing though, you can’t seem to go public in Dublin at the moment - for the past 12 months! You can around the country. I’m the same, always use condoms. I slept with someone a few months back where I bottomed. After he came, we only then realised the condom had split so he had cum inside me. I asked if he gets checked out regularly and he said yeah, don’t worry but I did worry. Went on a month supply of pep the following morning. Had blood tests, urine tests and throat/anal swab that day, at 2 months and 3 months and all came back clear. It frightened me though so I started prep as an extra precaution. I’m only on it a week. It’s an added layer of security. The GP I went to couldn’t have praised it enough. Told me I’d be covered after 4 days of taking it. But I completely agree €520 a year to see the GP is not feesable for a student

bazbai4 · 05-02-2023 8:47pm

Thanks. Didn’t realise it wasn’t available publicly in Dublin at the moment - surely this is madness. I know guys here who are chancing going bareback and doubt they are all paying for Prep privately so there is a big risk it not being publicly available.

I don’t see myself having a regular partner for sex for the foreseeable so was curious about prep while I have different partners. I prob would still use condoms but if you did go bareback you’d have Prep. As you say the cost isn’t feasible from a student perspective. At least the students union gives out plenty free condoms!

Maz2016 · 06-02-2023 1:52am

There maybe somewhere in Dublin where it’s free - I’m open to correction but I know Mater weren’t taking new patients and St James haven’t in well over a year. I rang St James’ and asked what were my options She recommended the clinic I used last week. I’d agree, if people aren’t getting prep for free, I’d wonder how many actually use/pay for it.