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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,500 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't think anyone outside of the Kremlin listens to anything the Kremlin says anymore, don't you?

    The Russian emperor has had no clothes since about day 10 of the war. They have their nuclear arsenal, but given the NATO assurance of total destruction of the Russian military, if there is even the sniff of a battlefield nuke, I think we can say thats a bluff called. Besides, given the absolute state of the Russian military machine, I wouldn't want to be the one sitting by a nuclear missile pressing the button to launch, cos I'd say there's a 50/50 chance of it blowing up in the silo and even if that were just the rocket booster, it would leave a big unstable warhead sitting at the bottom of a fiery pit.

    Now is the time to double down on the heavy weapon supply to Ukraine. All this inert time is giving Russia far too big an opportunity to reorganise its campaign for Spring, or even sooner. The initiative must be secured for Ukraine, no matter what the Russians try to do.

    Poland and Britain and Sweden and Finland are to be commended for their unambiguous intent to send MBTs, they should be supported from across the free world with ammunition, fuel, support vehicles, FOB elements and drones to make them effective.

    Talk must also now turn to formulating an air superiority plan to equip Ukraine with the aircraft and ground based air defence systems to completely command the air over the territory that they will regain as the counteroffensive continues into the south and east.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    That Ireland is now implicated. It's been for a very long time already. I wager the chewing out by the Americans sorted this issue. Something like We will move our basses to Poland instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    This situation. The leopards.

    We are now implicated by Polands decision re; leopard tanks.

    If Poland makes certain moves at this point our security is involved.

    Your bit about American bases is some weird non-sequitur/digression. Care.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    @Larbre34 I think the Russian military and people listen to the Kremlin.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,689 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump talked about buying Greenland, why not Ukraine, Zelensky should sell, for 1 dollar, have it internationally recognized as US soil. Then fill it to the neck with weapons, sell it back to Ukraine for 1 dollar in 2026



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Since Ireland has no Leopards the point is irrelevant. Ireland is already Implicated as seen on russian TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Azerbaijan to double gas supplies to Europe, taking Gazprom’s share

    January 20, 2023, 12:20

    https://english.nv.ua/business/azerbaijan-to-double-gas-supplies-to-europe-taking-gazprom-s-share-50298826.html

    Schadenfreude - I'm getting to quite like it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    We don't have to send leopards.

    Poland sends leopards, if Russia then makes some kind of response against Poland across the Poland/Kaliningrad border then EU common defense is involved. Ireland is now technically in an open conflict with Russia, the defense forces literally can be embroiled and expected to fight against Russia at that point.

    Russian TV isn't a reflection on diplomatic reality. Some asshat making a gif about a non-existant superweapon stirring up a giga-typhoon that washes Ireland away is not to be conflated with real politics.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    That's not how NATO works. If the Polish do not request full NATO support there is no automatic triggering of an Article in this case. An Attack on one member that requests NATO Troops is an Attack on all. Have you a link to this EU common defence Policy that drags everyone into a war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    We're legally bound to help as best we can, or legalese words to that affect.

    Why are you telling me how nato works when I never even mentioned nato. Complete non-sequitur. Shoes go over socks. The capital of Italy is actually Rome. Sorry but I think you'll find there are 5 spice girls. Thats you that is.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Details details... Read slower till you understand what you read.

    Those upgrades which are not paid by Czechs but by USA and Netherlands are meant for additional up to 90 tanks which will be sent from Czech Republic. Nothing to do with first deal which as other poster said was paid for by Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    And Ireland has an opt out of this treaty. I brought up NATO as it will be a NATO response not EU. The EU does not have an army.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Sounds good. Defence forces having to do what their name suggests - shock horror.

    The Horde are not going to attack a NATO country, they are having more than enough problems with a small non NATO one they did stupidly attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    The potential is still there. And it can be reasonably described as worrying. I know I'd be concerned by this unfolding situation if I had family in the DF.

    I really don't care about nato in this particular context. I didn't say EU has an army. I don't know why you're dropping non-sequiturs.

    Even that other post with the drunk Russian, I've no idea wtf that was about, yet it was a quote response to me. Allow me to respond with a map of Cameroon. And an ebay link to a tea-cozy. (if I was bothered).

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Yeah some kind of hot conflict with Russia sounds good alright.

    Jesus.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,005 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    We've heard this step-by-step alarmism for 11 months now.

    "If we support sanctions we're a target for Putin"

    "If Europe sends any arms.."

    "If we send artillery.. "

    "If we send Brimstones and HIMARS... "

    After Germany and others send the more tanks, the hand-wringing will switch to the next longer range or heavier armament. And no, we're not blind to the threats from Russia, we're painfully aware of them, but also aware that Putin is invading Europe, slaughtering people, using energy as a weapon against us. Something that has to be countered with more than tiptoeing and handwringing unfortunately. This is his war on Ukraine and by proxy on all of us. He's counting on us showing weakness, which is all we've done previously, and which has ultimately led to this situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    The post was in relation to drunks only listening to the kremlin. Poland would not bother asking the EU for help We have seen how Germany reacts. They would ask NATO. Ireland has an opt out of the Treaty mentioned. It was brought up in the thread about NATO and the fact Ireland is Neutral and not an Enemy of anyone that's why we should not Join NATO. German Tanks do not drag Ireland into anything. And again as already mentioned we are on the radar for ages. Why do you think we have live fire test near Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Since Putin invaded Ukraine ( and with hindsight, even much earlier than that,,,Tbilisi, Chechnya, Crimea etc.) he has been a threat to anyone he perceives as being "The Enemy", and that includes Ireland, so what is new or different now? The threat of Ukraine getting Leopard tanks? Fact is 20wheel, Putin is a threat to the whole world, even to his perceived "Friends", to the extent that even Xi Jinping reprimanded him. So where Putin is concerned, nothing new. This week Leopard tanks, next week??? What will it be?? With Putin, he has to have some new threat to the Russian people that only he can protect them from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Yeah, the west is moving up the scale slowly - when thermonuclear war is an actual real prospect you might consider doing it that way.

    Nobody has still made an attempt to close the skies for Ukraine.

    So, if the reticence about tanks is handwringing, then by the same reasoning so is the reticence to close the skies.

    Why the hand wringing. Just send a bunch of jets from various nato countries.

    Germany moves carefully: Booo.

    Others move carefully: well now you see the thing is, you see the sky is different ...

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,005 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    If, on day one of the Russian invasion, we had decided to greenlight everything to Ukraine that we've given to date, would we be living under mushroom clouds? I don't think so. Ukraine would probably be a lot further than it is now and this whole thing would be a lot closer to ending



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Reported.

    I invite anyone to find any post in my history thats sympathetic to Russia.

    Congrats on turning this thread into an echo chamber where the mere speculation that maybe Russian shytes are shinier equals someone in a troll factory in St Petersburg.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Have you found the link to the Gepards that Ukraine destroyed by using the wrong ammo? cleverly decided to use the wrong ammo, I think you said after they ran out in a few days. Amazing how there's footage of Gepards shooting down drones, even more amazing when they are destroyed and have no ammo!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,005 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Again, closing the skies for Ukraine is WW3. American planes shooting Russian planes is WW3. Direct intervention is not part of this discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Don't tell them the skies are already closed for russian planes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Currently there is speculation about the supply of F16s to the Ukrainian airforce.

    Why were these not delivered earlier.

    F16 not delivered until 2023, perfectly good excuse.

    Leopard not delivered until 2023, awful, cowardice in fact, and corruption. you see scholz is part of an elite cabal and intends to be the first to benefit from renewed relations with post war russia, as such germany is culpable for everything wrong in ukraine.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Are the Russians not culpable for everything wrong in Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Next shift I think moved on from Nuclear war to something something why no weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




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