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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,221 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Yeah so what about the 2500 living here who were let in despite having destroyed their passports, what do you suggest we do with them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    The bang of patronising contempt of that tagline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,580 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I wish it were true that many of those granted asylum went on to become self-sufficient, but the statistics do not bear that out.


    What statistics?

    And the contempt you’re seeing btw, which I’m in no doubt you’re fully aware of, is for idiots. It has nothing to do with where anyone lives.

    The reason it’s hard for you to understand is pretty simple - people don’t see things the way you do is all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,383 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    You make a lot of points here, but doesn't it strike you as 'odd' that the Celtic Tiger and subsequent economic recovery after 2014 coincided with big population increases, including strong immigration?

    There seems to be a pattern here. Population growth stagnation or even net migration (depopulation in other words) has traditionally equalled widespread poverty and low living standards in Ireland (i.e. much of the 20th Century). Any time emigration halted, accompanied by population growth and inward migration, the country entered an economic boom period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭clytemnestra


    It's the other way round. We had pretty much zero immigration until the boom of the late 90s, and immigration slowed right down after the economic crash of 2008. People are drawn to a prosperous country - lots of people doesn't make the country prosperous in itself. Ireland's "Celtic Tiger" came from low corporate tax which attracted FDI, an educated workforce and a some years of ruthless cutting to balance the books after the disastrous 80s. This took many years to achieve.

    Ireland should welcome immigration, but the right kind - skilled, educated people who are required to fill a particular skills gap. And if that skills gap persists, we should be looking at our own workforce and why it's not equipped to to fill it. We should be looking to attract EU nationals before non-EU nationals because of our membership of the EU. We can take a limited number of those fleeing war. We do not need people who arrive with no documentation, or people with no skills to offer us who will be a drain on the public purse. We don't need people with criminal convictions. We don't need people from safe countries pretending to seek asylum, or those who use English language schools as a means of permanent immigration. We should put the interests of native Irish people first when considering all this, because we are a nation state with a constitution and the country belongs to us, not just anyone who rocks up here. Irish citizenship should be a great privilege and should only be handed out to those who sit a language and culture test. I haven't much time for the "Irish granny" citizenship; it has no use 100 years after independence.

    The views above make me "far-right" to many.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    What differentiates any of the parties on health or housing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 LaoisWeather


    You have the cause and effect mixed up there lad.

    A booming economy attracts people and thus population growth.

    It's not a case that an economic boom happens after an influx of migration or a surge in births over deaths, otherwise most countries outside of "the west" would be economic powerhouses from the population growth in those nations over the last quarter century.

    However that is not the case. Most of the nations of the world experiencing rapid population growth are amongst the poorest ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,383 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Why didn't the huge influx of EU citizens between 2004 and the end of 2008 (a near five year period) damage our economy? The financial crash was caused not by immigration, but by Irish banks and Irish property developers getting up to crazy stuff.

    And why didn't we have a big economic boom in the 1950s and 1980s when immigration was at zero? Strange too that the economy has been surging ahead in the last 12-18 months now that net immigration has returned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Because banks were actual banks back then not gambling dens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The economy seems to be doing well now due to high levels of corporate tax. Do you really think that the economic numbers look good because there are loads of migrants staying in hotels, many who are not working and the vast majority that are working are in low skilled jobs and so pay little tax.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Kyokushin Grappler


    Nice Deflection, but his narrative would certainly flip if the refugees he's campaigning were to be housed in his Community. And watch the narrative flip if they can ;longer profit off of this human trafficking scam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,865 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    This is 'him', FYI

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    Where are you even from that you don't recognise Caroline as a female name?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,580 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Whose narrative? The only narrative on display here is the one you’re trying to create where anyone who isn’t opposed to accommodating refugees mustn’t have refugees being accommodated in their communities? I’ve demonstrated your narrative is clearly lacking in any form of actual evidence to support it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,695 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    The thing that makes me disappointed is that we cant help geniune refugees or people seeking help cause we have so much bogus claims.

    Geniune people in need of our help and would only be too delighted to come here and start afresh are the losers here.

    I will say it again. The Government, NGOs, Media and anyone stupid enough to welcome everyone are to blame.

    Seeing Ukraine girls crying last night on tv was sad. Coming here to this mess.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,383 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm simply suggesting that the worst decades in our economic history (1950s, 1980s for example) always seemed to correspond with very low population growth, mass emigration and zero immigration - two lost decades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 John Ivory


    Our government accommodated 63,000 non EU or UK nationals last year, and only half of them were Ukrainians (CSO figures). No wonder why there is so much pressure on accommodation. We can't build quickly enough for these figures.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2022/keyfindings/#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20immigrants%2C%20or,period%20is%20estimated%20at%2059%2C600.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    And why do you think eras of massive emigration from Ireland in the 1950s and 80s corresponds with low population growth?

    Do you think continued mass emigration from countries like Albania and Georgia is going to be positive for their economy and living standards?

    Both country’s populations are crashing. Georgia has lost a million people in 15 years.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Patches oHoulihan


    Hundreds of men arriving every day to Citywest that was set up for Ukrainian women and children.

    It's carnage out there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,221 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    We are told none of us has a veto on migrants being housed in our areas but in the vast majority of cases its into working class parts of cities and small rural towns like mine they are put.

    Are bus loads of young men coming to Ballsbridge, Dalky, Howth or Dun Laoghaire?

    These places seem to have a veto, and its young people from these areas with the "we welcome refugees" banners.

    Yeah welcome them as long as its not in Daddys posh neighbourhood.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Jaysus you come out with some awful shyte.

    If you were to add 5 mouths to feed to your household would that make it more prosperous or less?

    Ever hear the old saying about "putting the cart before the horse" ?


    No wonder we are fooked when above is the level of logic that supports this lunacy that the government have bought into.


    And now there is now even less accommodation for Ukrainians.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    If you were to add 5 mouths to feed to your household would that make it more prosperous or less

    I suppose it would depend on the density level of the house.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭niallpatrick


    No problem with legit refugees from Ukraine, women and children yes should be given priority over other 'refugees' whos origins are unknown or not disclosed. The 6 counties executive claims to have settled 1600 Ukrainians in hostels/emergency housing and Belfast being the main town I haven't seen a single Ukrainian, not that I would know a Ukrainian from a Lithuanian but I'll wager they sure as hell aren't of a certain dark complexion or wear bukrahs. The other side of the wall won't take in any refugees or economic migrants no matter how legit they are.


    Liberals falling over one another to house people of unknown origin in areas where they don't live (PBP/SDLP/SF) meanwhile in the slums where they wouldn't piss with next to no public spending for upgrading heres another 20 'refugees' deal with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    SF are the big losers. In fact, its politically expedient for FF/FG to dump refugees into working class areas to undermine the SF vote. So politically, this is not as bonkers as it seems for FF/FG. They've snookered SF on this, big time. They couldn't have dreamt of a better outcome than SF councillors out canvassing in East Wall etc, having to defend their reckless open borders policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    heres another 20 'refugees' deal with it

    The masses who didn't give a damn several years ago when the government essentially told the people of Lisdoonvarna to like it or lump it after a resounding vote against a DP center, are the real guilty ones. This was the state telling the people that their voices didn't matter in the clearest way possible, yet no one really cared. I'm sure half of the posters on this thread didn't care at the time either, yet now they are fighting back when it's way too late. I suppose this is the curse of society, a minority seeing what's coming and get mocked for it, only for the rest to catch on when the damage is done.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,865 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I don't see how this issue 'undermines the SF vote' in any significant way. Okay their canvassers might get a few tongue lashings on the doorsteps from this crowd

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    but the other left parties that constitute the alternatives to SF for working-class Dublin are certainly no better and probably in the round worse as far as those up in arms about immigrants and refugees are concerned...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭clytemnestra


    Yep. I live in the catchment area of one of the first DP centres, now over twenty years old. There is no end to the inward flow of people and the profound and permanent changes they bring. That's a diplomatic way of putting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Private schools private healthcare big inheritances these young people will never have to face the consequences of what is happening today



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    You do realise I'm sure, that affluent areas do not have the facilities to take in asylum seekers. Be realistic now, they don't have as many State schools, they don't have many doctors on the medical card list, they don't have health centres, they don't have room for tents, they don't have two and three star hotels, how could they possibly take in refugees? The very thought of it.



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