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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You'll find the vast majority of Irish people will not in any way support fascist nazis like Justin Barrett or his violent thug colleague Michael Quinn.


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    It's uteerly insane we had an open border policy , everyone is welcome etc the people protesting are far right racists etc

    Within a week out minster is saying you can have food stamps then you are on the street and not a peep out of anyone .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    It will be an issue for sure. Parties will have to set out their policy on immigration and it will be near top of the issues list as it's filtering into the complete lack of housing now.

    Also putting pressure on schools and hospitals.

    Long term they (they being the do-gooders welcoming everybody in) are sowing the seeds for future generation ghettos, civil unrest, matlrginalized sections of society etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    This is a far cry from the Iranian fella that was complaining to the press that he wasn't allowed use the gym in his social housing accommodation, which happended to be a €700k luxury one-bedroom apartment.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/social-tenants-in-rathgar-complex-excluded-from-certain-facilities-1.4415042



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Heard a principle in Ballaghaderreen yesterday saying more than half his pupils in the school are foreign nationals.


    Unfortunately we have passed the point of no return.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Hello, I’m here to burst your bubble.

    The issues at the next election will be health abs housing, and immigration will be well down the list.

    ’runaway’ winner hahahahaha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,865 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Nope, all major parties will maintain a broadly positive line towards immigrants/refugees. Therefore the issue is neutralised politically; nobody wins, nobody loses...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Roderic O'Gorman sent out a series of tweets in February 2021 in French, Albanian, Arabic, Somali, Urdu and Georgian promising to end direct provision and provide "own door accommodation." If you do a google search you should be able to find them.

    Post edited by Marcos on

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,378 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Why can't they use social housing around the country to house refugees?

    Can they not put a pause on the normal housing waiting list and let thousands of refugees take the social housing as they become available?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Housing issues are tied to immigration though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Immigration is putting the biggest strain on health services and the housing crisis.

    I hate to burst your bubble, also hello.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    people are not thick they know why this is happening now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭slay55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 LaoisWeather




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,383 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That's a White Paper (drawn up by various departments and an Oireachtas Joint Committee) aimed at asylum seekers who are already resident in Ireland, hence the various languages. It says nothing about immigration, border control or making it easier for people to enter the country.

    There seems to be a lot of good stuff in it too, including rapidly speeding up the asylum process so that people can have their application accepted or rejected within six months.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Actually, government inaction on housing and shutting down nearly 9000 beds in hospitals is what is putting the strain on both services right now.

    Dont fall into the trap of thinking everything is the immigrants’ fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,262 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I said on this site several years ago that this would become a major issue yet and here we are.

    Massive pressure on services, housing and infrastructure causing serious damage to the social contract and indeed social cohesion as the virtue signalling but ultimately unaffected types scream racist and far right (which is laughable in a country like Ireland - we don't even have a "right" anymore, just various degrees of left!) at those who actually think about the consequences of these decisions, or are already living with them.

    We have a group of politicians right now who spend their time chasing trends and tweeting to the same delusional types about how good it is for Ireland, how it's our responsibility, how we need to help the poor people. The damage being done by the likes of O'Gorman, McEntee, Coveney and chief tweeter Leo to the future of our society and country is massive and possibly already irreversible.

    But it won't be any of them who will be left to deal with it, make no mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,222 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Murphy the little commie thinks the state should take vacant properties off the owners if they don't use them after a certain period of time has passed.

    He doesn't seem to mind that the people he needs to vote for him so he still has a job after the next election hate him now.

    It won't be the economic migrants putting an x beside his name on the ballot paper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    The Irish Times suggesting that the old Jury's Hotel in Ballsbridge would be ideal to host asylum seekers and put this as their tagline:

    "Less privileged communities are bearing the brunt of the refugee burden, leaving them vulnerable to exploitation by far-right agitators".

    I can't see the ultra wealthy residence kicking to much fuss about this.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/01/20/the-old-jurys-hotel-in-ballsbridge-would-make-an-ideal-reception-centre-instead-it-stands-idle/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,638 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    In what way? 

    Similar to that above, word will get back to those countries, may take some time, but...

    Heres a thread in English where he sets out his plan, from day one

    https://mobile.twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1365226300932304896

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,383 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But all of this seems a good idea. These plans have been drawn up, not by the current government, but by an Oireachtas Joint Committee, a cross party committee comprising members from the Dáil and Seanad. Everyone is agreed that the Direct Provision system is a shambles and that the asylum process moves way too slowly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,638 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Direct Provision, shambles as it was, wasn't the problem, it was the speed of processing applications. If every case was dealt with in 6 months there'd be very few complaining about direct provision.


    You'd be very naive not to see the above as an open invitation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I never said everything is immigrants fault.

    I said immigration is the biggest strain on both.

    Don't fall into the trap of thinking we can keep inviting unlimited numbers into the country when we have nowhere to house them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 LaoisWeather


    The problem is all the "professions" coupled with a bloated NGO sector that see the current issues as an income stream for themselves. They care not one jot about migrants/refugees/asylum seekers - only the income generated from "dealing" with them. Hence the "system" which they heavily advocated for grinds as slowly as possible so as much moola as possible is ground out of it. It's that simple.

    Have no doubts about it, most of those with "Refugees Welcome" signs etc... are heavily, heavily invested in that system. You're either making money from it, or you're paying for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,378 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Obviously tens of thousands of immigrants coming in a short space of time is going to make matters worse in terms of housing and health provision.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Incorrect.

    Refugees are not getting housing.


    Former refugees who have residency status and the right to live and work here are being accommodated in the exact same was as "Irish born"

    Similarly Irish people who look for social housing in other countries such as the UK, are treated the same way as "locals"


    I know a former refugee who came here from Nigeria about 20 years ago. She currently employs 8 people in a management consultancy company.


    You'd think by the reaction of the protesters in the working class areas who are a minority of those living in those areas, that all refugees want is free housing and non stop social welfare which is what they have been on for years

    You'll find that the unemployment level of former refugees who now have citizen status is extremely low and they are huge contributors to society - unlike the vast majority of the protesters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,383 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I would agree that the process needs to be rapidly speeded up but the White Paper appears to address this. If the entire asylum process can be quickened up considerably, then the issue of refugees even needing to be temporarily housed in random places like East Wall, Ballymun and Drimnagh becomes much less of a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,580 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    This is the kind of success that matters to me and that I've been waiting for.


    TDs continuing to pay lip service is your idea of success? I figured it would be more along the lines of what protesters are actually protesting about, which they have yet to achieve, but fair enough, can’t argue with that.



    Who’s this “we” business? You and anyone else has no say whatsoever in where refugees are being accommodated (sure isn’t that your whole problem?), so the idea of you having any say where refugees are accommodated just doesn’t seem like something anyone should be concerned about. As for where they are actually being accommodated, you have no idea where anyone else lives or how they feel about anything, let alone the idea they would think like you do regardless of where refugees are accommodated.

    There’s no shortage of local residents in any community who are of the opinion that any protests are just embarrassing, and that’s notwithstanding the opinions of protesters from outside these areas, by the people who grew up in these communities -

    https://m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/protest-against-asylum-seekers-in-ballymun-embarrassing-says-lord-mayor-42273218.html


    Before you say it btw, Caroline Conroy was born, bred and grew up in Ballymun -

    https://www.themayor.eu/en/ireland/dublin/mayors/caroline-conroy-479



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭clytemnestra


    Yes, but that's the whole point. Far too many people with bogus asylum claims exhausted the system of appeals (at great expense to the taxpayer and great benefit to the legal profession) and were given leave to remain. They didn't even have to do that before 2004 and the citizenship referendum. They continue to be given leave to remain (recent amnesty) and even if their claim is refused, they are very rarely deported. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth. If these people wanted to live and work in Ireland legitimately, they were more than welcome to apply for a skilled work visa and go through the legal channels, so why didn't they? Your friend from Nigeria has done well but why did she come here as a refugee 20 years ago? What war was she fleeing in Nigeria exactly? I wish it were true that many of those granted asylum went on to become self-sufficient, but the statistics do not bear that out.

    I also see the usual classism and contempt for those who live in poorer areas and who don't like what's being done to their neighbourhoods by those who get to keep their neighbourhoods just the way they like them. If you object to high levels of badly managed immigration, you must be a loser, a sponger etc yourself. I can't believe that so many who hold these people in contempt call themselves lefties, like the godly Fintan in this week's Irish Times pontificating about the mysterious "far right" demon that's possessed the lower orders. If you were an actual leftie, you'd care about the effects of immigration on the lower-waged; the increased competition for publicly funded services, the lowering of wages and inflation of rents. I am educated, on a reasonable income, own my own house, but am still clear-sighted enough to look at the bigger picture and the disastrous effects this is having already. I care about the younger generation whose future is being thrown away yet again by the extremists we have in government. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.



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