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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,380 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I've definitely heard this theory before - a fair few dodgy links between the SPD and Russia going back many years, perhaps bribes and bungs as well. Perhaps they have something on Scholz himself......who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    You really need to brush up on Churchill. Zelensky is a decent man so please don’t compare him to that pig of Churchill . Churchill is closer to putin in character. Embarrassing stuff.

    Churchill planned and executed chemical weapons attacks. Churchill suggested that chemical weapons should be used “against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment.” He added “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes to spread a lively terror” in Iraq.

    He diverted food aid from Bengal in India during a famine. He said they were a beastly people with a beastly religion and deserved all they got for breeding like rabbits.

    In 1937, he told the Palestinian royal commission "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

    Churchill certainly believed in racial hierarchies and eugenics, says John Charmley, author of Churchill: The End of Glory. In Churchill's view, white protestant Christians were at the top, above white Catholics, while Indians were higher than Africans, he adds. "Churchill saw himself and Britain as being the winners in a social Darwinian hierarchy."

    And I assume you’re Irish(pretty embarrassing if you are)

    In January 1919 Churchill assumed the role of Secretary of State for War and Air. Eleven days later the Irish War of Independence began.

    Churchill's role in Ireland is most associated with deploying the controversial "Black and Tans" Named after their uniforms, these temporary constables soon developed a reputation for excessive violence. 

    In Churchill: The Greatest Briton Unmasked, Nigel Knight claims that Churchill repeatedly refused to stand down the Black and Tans and even advocated the use of air power in Ireland.

    Please choose better heroes or maybe you just idolise that above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Half of Germany was part of the old soviet Union while other states who where completely do not want Russia

    I suspect it might have a less vocal minority who support Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    That all depends if your family profited out of the Russians back in the day and still does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    A lot of old East German influence in its politics Merkel now scholz and it could well be Russian funded

    Since Germany is comprised by Russia it should also be scantioned?

    Or treated less as a reliable partner

    So if US says leopard go in let others go ahead everything goes through Poland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Source for this claim of the Ukrainians wrecking Gepards?

    Is this it?

    Ukraine received Norwegian-made ammunition some time ago to be used by the German-made Gepard SPAAG, also delivered in Ukraine. The reason: Germany did not have 35mm ammunition available for its Gepard SPAAGs and was forced to look abroad. Berlin even held talks with countries that have purchased this air defense system, such as Qatar and Brazil. Norway responded by saying it could produce them.

    Now it turns out that the Norwegian ammunition already delivered to Ukraine is not recognized by the weapon system and it cannot fire them. Sources claim that joint tests of Gepard SPAAG ammunition and anti-aircraft self-propelled guns took place in Germany. According to them, new tests will be conducted in August after the ammunition is upgraded.

    However, this could prove to be a very serious problem for the defense capabilities of the Ukrainian armed forces. They cannot currently use Norwegian ammunition. If the new munitions configuration proves successful in August, Ukraine will have to return the munitions already delivered to them back to Germany for modification. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the General Staff of the Armed Forces have not yet commented on the information.

    If so, your spin is unreal.

    https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2022/07/31/norway-delivered-gepard-spaag-35mm-shells-are-useless-in-ukraine/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Someone was triggered. I was referring to Churchill's speeches, given I had just quoted two of Zelensky's, that should have been apparent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    It is not so it seems that your spin is unreal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I will await your link confirming what you were referring to, with bated breath.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,898 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Citing international convention (chapter and verse) when correcting a person who said that international law should not be upheld is whatboutery worthy of large bold face type? Let me know how your next debate with a Garda goes when he pulls you in for a traffic infraction. “Gard, citing the traffic law is attempting to distract from the topic…”



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    When the invasion started Russian forces grouped 150,000 servicemen into battalion tactical groups (BTGs) and other formations and involved additional 70,000 troops from air and sea elements, with the remaining personnel staffing non-combat support units.

    Russian forces committed more than 80,000 servicemen of the mobilized reserve, up to 7,000 reservists of the Russian Combat Army Reserve (BARS-2021), up to 18,000 members of the Russian National Guard (Rosguardia), and up to 8,000 troops from private military companies.

    This doesnt include seperatist from Donetsk and Luhanks DPR and LNR,with another 40000+( But reported to have lost 50%,thats 20000 casualties,killed and wounded)

    The second round of mobilisation Russia added another 250 000+ conscripts and reserves, and wagner group added another 50 000+ from prisons in Russia and foreign volunteers.

    Wagner groups telegram channel reported that wagner group have lost 20000 so far in the offensive in Bakhmut,over the last 4 months.

    And the reports suggest that KIA is 5-1 Russia vs Ukraine,since Russia is the attacker,and also because of Russias use of human wave attacks and barrier troops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Then provide your source. I suspect you’ve made it up or had the inability to understand the article you read….although it was probably nonsense you saw in 140 character format from a Russian source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    orcs wearing Ukrainian uniforms or fighting while wearing white arm bands has been happening since the Crimea invasion and still to this day.

    It's a war crime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    There can be no defending this at all but many in the pro orc camp will try.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,663 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    ""I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned"

    Richard Feynman"


    He might not have said this. And, there are definitely putinbots on the thread. Once found out, they run off, are threadbanned, and sometimes rereg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Putinbots attempt to fly under the radar by waffling about Azov/Zelensky/NATO instead of what is actually happening. By ignoring the atrocities committed by russia and focusing on whatever Ukrainian corruption they can dig up from unverified sources, they are inadvertently/indirectly supported russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "This war is really the west's fault..." (despite Russia being the ones who invaded Ukraine)

    "I'm anti-war. That's why I think NATO should stop giving Ukraine weapons, perpetuating this dreadful conflict..." (No suggestion that Russia simply withdraw from Ukraine instead. 😐️)

    "As bad as this war is - the pounding of civilian infrastructure and the targeted killing and deportation of innocent civilians by Russian forces... what I want to talk about for some reason is how America invaded Iraq in 2003."

    And many more attempts to divert, confuse and obfuscate the issue at hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    13 tank were offered by the Germans,

    But the Czechs are paying millions for those 13 tank to be updated to more modern equipment ,

    All in the details,oh look we have 13 tanks which were due to be decommissioned from Switzerland now you send your old Soviet tanks to Ukraine,by the way it's going to cost you millions to pay us to upgrade the decommissioned swiss tanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    This is somewhat reassuring, especially the "no time lost" aspect -




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That was a waste of a rant @.Donegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's hard to see that clearly through the fog of war, and estimates will vary wildly depending on the source, but conservative estimates put Russian casualties at at least 100,000 (killed/wounded), and possibly even closer to 500,000. It would be naïve to think that Ukraine hasn't been taking similarly-heavy casualties, but where the difference is coming is in the hardware. Russia have lost so many tanks, aircraft, APCs and artillery pieces since their invasion began, whereas Ukraine have been getting a lot of weaponry and training from the West, while also having captured Russian stuff added to its arsenal. In order to advance its aims, Russia will either need to build or buy, and train those conscripts in how to use it. The numbers thing isn't going to really work for Russia. It doesn't have a bottomless pit of men to draw from. It has a population of close to 150 million, and obviously not all of those are going to be men of military age, and even of that demographic, around 1 million have fled. What Russia is then left with is an increasingly unprofessional army of conscripts whose commitment to the cause is going to be in question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Take another look. It's the other party who hasn't provided a link to any source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I see the US are recommending that Ukraine hold off on further offensives until they get more training. Am I the only one sceptical about this? Ukraine have shown competence in conducting offensives and there is no sign they would go with mindless human wave attacks.

    Could the US be worried that the Russians could completely collapse soon, which would be messy. They may prefer a negotiated settlement rather than military defeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Triggered for pointing out some facts about your pig of an idol. Ok lol

    And pull the other one, you weren’t on about speeches you said “I think Zelensky surpassed Churchill a while ago. There has not been as great a leader of a country for at least 60 years.” “As great of leader of a country for 60 years” yeah that definitely means speeches. Especially when you’re constantly referencing churchill, talking about he’d be turning in his grave etc all the time. No one buys your speeches shite. Anyway you’re British so you never learned anything of the “unsavoury” parts so it’s hardly surprising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Seems you’re still salty about being wrong the other night re Germany bbc news report. Sad! Well at least you seen my rant, you might have learnt something this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭Rawr


    This, very much this. I would be very surprised if a Putin-bot, or people who are simply pro-Russia, would come on here and flatly say; «I think it’s fine that Russia invades and kills Ukrainians. Hell, «The Ukraine» isn’t really a country anyway»

    Instead, they are trying to be clever by cloaking their actual position with something that might seem reasonable in a different context, but really mean something else:

    ”We should sue for Peace” == We should let Russia keep it’s gains.

    ”The Ukrainians are nazies” == Russia are right to kill them, and Ukraine should not be supported

    ”Ukraine are evil for attacking (insert target here)” == Ignore the daily Russian bombardment of civilian targets and focus on this.

    “But the US, and Iraq etc…” == The US did something **** in the past, therefore Russia is fine because of it.

    We’ve seen it so often I think a lot of us have developed a sort of “spidey-sense” for Putin-bots. They are almost always newly registered, often very argumentative to nearly the point of farse and will post dubious sources for their claims. It’s tiring to deal with them, but it is also important to counter their arguments, as this is what their tactic is. They are hoping for the pro-Russia argument to remain unchallenged, and it is for us to ensure that it is challenged with the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Putin seems to regard this war as a crusade and my feeling is that any acceptance of a negotiated settlement would really serve as a pause to rebuild and try again. On the other hand, Ukraine would sure want a clause in the settlement that essentially makes it impossible or at least catastrophic for Russia to invade again (e.g. admission into NATO), and that's a term Putin would really struggle to accept.

    It seems that Russia and Ukraine remain too far apart in their aims to come to a negotiated settlement. One side or both may become much more amenable to a compromise if or when they assess that victory by force would be impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,663 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "They are almost always newly registered, often very argumentative to nearly the point of farse and will post dubious sources for their claims. It’s tiring to deal with them, but it is also important to counter their arguments, as this is what their tactic is. They are hoping for the pro-Russia argument to remain unchallenged, and it is for us to ensure that it is challenged with the truth."


    Some are 'old accounts' quiet for years then suddenly wake up. Plus there are a few other threads they show up in (like the variations on the Ukrainians-in-Ireland threads.) And they're amusing in that they get butt-hurt when their lies are called out, pretty much right-wing SOP when losing the debates. "You're mean! You're picking on me." To which I saw, f*ck right off, tovarisch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This was clear from the moment Putin invaded. Non-proliferation should be out the window, given the US and UK betrayal and hoodwinking of ukraine in order to get them to disarm, and the incredible cost to Ukraine of that. Trump showed the US can not be relied on for a second. Australia and NZ are in a NATO like treaty with the US called the ANZUS treaty. Trump made it clear it is illusory, despite Australia being the US's most steadfast millitary partner, having sent support for every major foreign military misadventure they have engaged in, from Vietnam onwards.

    Australia and Taiwan both need nuclear deterents. They should join forces and develop a nuclear and missile capability in Australia. I have some disquieting thoughts that maybe China did nothing to disuade North Korea because it wanted it's own nuclear Wagner group.

    If any NATO member like Hungary or Turkey make waves or stupid demands to keep Ukraine out of NATO, Ukraine should just say fine by us, we'll develop nuclear weapons instead. They would have no problem doing so technically, having been responsible for at least 40% of the USSRs military production and research.



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