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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No the Czechs bought 40 odd German tanks, while sending their old decompressioned tanks to Ukraine,

    But the Germans maintain a veto over any of the tanks sold to the Czech republic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The Ukrainians are in a position to count bodies, you are not, and neither are the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Bakhmut is also depleting the Russian Army. We really don't know the details, but if Ukraine is inflicting multiple the casualties as they are receiving, it could make sense to literally use it as a kill zone, despite Ukraine's losses. 1 Russian killed attacking is 1 less that can defend elsewhere when Ukraine starts a counteroffensive, when Russia have the defensive advantage.


    Do Russia even mention daily the number of Ukrainian soliders killed? What do the Russian public actually know or what details do they get daily? I'd love to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Ukrainians aren't standing beside where their mortar/artillery shells are landing and counting bodies.

    120k deaths would suggest 400k-500k dead or injured which just isn't possible as there wouldn't be any Russians left on the front line if that was true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Bitcoin




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    400-500k isn't only possible but could be conservative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Ringtausch is the German government's equipment exchange programme developed in partnership with its neighbours and NATO allies to support Ukraine against the Russian invasion. It also involves the transfer of Soviet-era heavy equipment to Ukraine by Nato countries in receipt of surplus Western-made systems.

    • Google.

    "From Czech Army's deep storage:

    35 T-72M1 [April 2022].[77] Germany later included the Czech Republic in its Ringtausch program, providing replacement for these tanks."

    • Wikipedia.

    Do you understand.

    Germany organized a 3 way swap of sorts, which coincidentally in German is the word 'ringtausch'.

    And this resulted in 35 T72s ending up in Ukraines possession.

    No Germany, no exchange program, no 35 T72s in Ukraine.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    I often wonder how a "Private" army like Wagner works.....


    A normal sovereign army is to protect and serve a country, and when you join you join out of your patriotism, but also in the hope that you will hopefully see as little action as possible and make it home each day/week/month/year.


    The Wagner group, as a private army, is constantly for hire?, and somehow set up to make money?, so you're sure to be active.

    And that was before The war in Ukraine war broke out, where now you're almost guaranteed not to make it past the probation period..


    They must be offering a great salary, Company vehicle, Gym membership and importantly a great dental plan....sure they'll need some way to identify you at a later stage!!

    (Actually read a small bit now about them and it's basically a Russian army Division, in all but name??, but still would want to join, or are they also conscripts?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,379 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There may be some confusion between 'deaths' and 'wounded'. A report surfaced the other day claiming that hundreds of Ukrainians a day were dying there but that was almost certainly a misunderstanding of what the report said - by 'casualties', it surely meant dead and injured (and others forced to withdraw from the theatre for whatever reason).

    We know too that Ukraine is quite excellent at evacuating and treating injured soldiers and getting many of them back into battle quickly.





  • The more the Germans talk about the tanks being a trigger, the more the tanks risk actually becoming a trigger. It’s inadvertently implanting ideas and giving propagandists in Russia storylines.

    What they’re doing is rather strategically ridiculous.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    No but a lot of times drones are. Nobody is saying Ukraine is going and tagging and bagging each and every dead Russian, that's just absurd.

    Can I ask where you're getting the dead to injured ratio? Various ratios have been quoted but all based on recent conflicts, which this more resembles WW2/WW1 with the artillery. We've also seen plenty of videos of shells hitting Russian troops and those still standing just run and leave the wounded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Because they bought 30 Leopards from the Germans,the Germans didn't give them a leopard for every tank they sent to Ukraine,

    The Czechs bought leopard tanks 30+



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Starting force of 190k.

    Recruited 300k of which ~150k have been deployed.

    50k Wagners.

    So Russia has lost more than 500k out of 390k? Does not compute. Even if all 300k were deployed to the front it would mean that near all Russians soldiers were eliminated - which is nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Separate sale.

    "The Czech army is due to receive the first of 15 older Leopard 2A4 tanks from Germany on Tuesday, to make up for those which Czechia sent to Ukraine to boost the country’s defense capability. According to the Czech Defense Ministry the remaining 14 tanks should arrive in Czechia next year. German assistance in replacing the equipment donated to Ukraine was agreed in early May by Prime Minister Petr Fiala and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. (Edit: Separately) The two countries are also negotiating the purchase of up to 50 more state-of-the-art Leopard tanks, which the Czech Republic would acquire in the coming years."

    (ps: wouldnt that separate sale sort of disagree with your theory of the German arms industry losing its sales etc etc)

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    If it weren't for site rules, I could spend an entire day posting videos of Ukrainian troops visiting the aftermath of their Orc wipeouts, looking at countless bodies from 1m away. That's exactly what they do a lot of. And that's besides the battle assessments they do Using drones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Russia can sustain it by lobbing 50,000 convicts and mercenaries in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Listen man, I want Ukraine to win this so bad, I’m checking everyday for updates.


    But something doesn’t seem right, Ukraine are being held at arms length for some reason.

    Russia are still pushing on and there is no end in sight.

    I can’t see how Ukraine win this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    And that is precisely how most of the "help" looks like. It is a business nothing more. Ex communist bloc countries found a way to get rid of old junk while getting paid for it and also getting new shiny gear as replacement.

    This is also why Germans hesitate to send any leopards in. For now, they do bring good money and orders are coming in. Yet they are not really battle tested and Germans do not want to risk upsetting their cash income finding out that they may not be as good as everyone think they are. Conflict is so intense they may suffer the same fate as gepards so Germans may think twice to send another export article in. That is also one of the reasons we do not see US tanks in there with excuse of logistics. Of course US is just happy to push Germans to send Leopards in so more US stock can be sold as replacement...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Same fate as the Gepards? You'll have to expand on that. They have proven to be extremely effective.

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    Doesn't seem an outlandish claim if the closest repair facility is thousands of miles away vs next door?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    They are on $24,000 PA, tops, and the prisoners probably a tiny fraction of that. Their original raison d'être was so Russia could engage in serious military aggressions and interventions globally while pretending it wasn't actually the Russian state doing it, such as launching a full on attack on US special forces and Kurds in Syria. Russia couldn't do that directly without starting WW3, but Wagner group could and did.

    It's a larger scale version of the little green men in Donbas in 2014, who were local 'separatists' not Russian troops setting the stage to seize another countries territory for Russia.

    Interestingly there now seem to be perhaps 4 private armies in Russia. Prighozin's Wagner, Kadyrov's TikTokers, Defence minister Shoigu's Patriot PMC and Putins personal protection, the FSO.

    It's estimated that the FSO includes a corps of 20,000 troops and thousands of plainclothes operatives. Operating within the FSO is a military subagency called the Kremlin Regiment — or Presidential Regiment — that is responsible for protecting Putin. Another subagency, the Presidential Security Service, or SBP, is comprised of the guards who physically surround Putin when he appears in public.

    https://www.grunge.com/493922/heres-how-intense-putins-private-security-is/

    If Russia falls apart it's going to be mayhem, with basically war-lords fighting for suppremacy and all trying to get their hands on the nukes and other WMDs. Unfortunately Russia still has live Smallpox on ice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Nope.

    According to Czech defence minister Czechs donated 35 old soviet tanks to Ukraine and received 15 older leopard tanks donated from Germany. That was quid pro quo deal where essentially Germans footed the bill. They did so because Czechs also signed contract to purchase some quantity of new leopards and that is why Germans paid for the first deal. The devil is in detail.

    It is all just business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    🤣

    Yes ok, Ukraine is losing. Maybe they need to talk to uncle putler and surrender.

    Where do you get off on being such a pro orc shill?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    in the real world this is what the orcs are conscripting 😜

    Something tells me Ukraine will be just fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Seriously read back all my posts here.


    As long as the West keep thinking they can drip feed Ukraine while keeping Russia content so they don’t use Nukes, Ukraine aren’t going to win.

    It pains me to say it, but it’s the truth.

    Never again we were told. But the response to Russia has been pathetic.

    Russia still hold a seat on the UN ffs.

    That tells us all we need to know about this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,052 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I think they are marshalling resources, like HIMARS ammo, for a major offensive, I don't think they are losing or suddenly in a bad position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Germany is scholzing for putin

    Conspiracy theory doing the rounds SPD party are being black mailed by Russian secret service

    They where literally in bed with Russians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Yep, extremely effective for a couple of days till they ran out of ammo. Then ukrainians cleverly decided to use them with incompatible ammo which rendered them useless instantly. There is still no ammo for them so they sit tight. You see, potential buyer do not see that it was not germany fault, they see that gepards broke down after just few days.

    That may be the case with leopards too, ammo usage and wear and tear in this conflict is savage. That is why old soviet tech is what is being sent there and that is also what Russia is mostly using. There are tons of old tech and ammo stockpiles to go through before we see new tech deployed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I haven't heard anything other than the Swiss refusal to export the ammo and it instead being produced in the EU. Care to share the source of your claims?


    Define new tech? Is HIMARS, javelins, Bradleys, NASAMS, Patriots, TB2's, Archers, Challengers, CV70's all old tech?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Thanks for clarifying that. You did not hear about it so it did not happen. Cool.

    Also we are talking about tanks don't we?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I never said it didn't happen, I asked you to give me a source, as I never heard about it, I'd be curious to read about it.

    It makes no sense if Germany is still supply Gepards to Ukraine if there's no ammo.

    As for talking about tanks, you should specify that. You mention Russia is mostly using Soviet tech.... they only have Soviet tanks in mass production, so why state the obvious.



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