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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Russia has to be stopped, and stopped in such a way that they have to sue for peace, so that afterwards they cannot twist or turn it into some kind of victory, like " It was not Ukraine that defeated us, it was the combined forces of the West, UK and USA, but we won in Ukraine!" type of propaganda. And after that they have to be weakened economically so much, that they will not have the financial means to wage war anywhere in the world for many years to come. Don't be under any illusions about Vladimir Putin's ambitions, If he wins in Ukraine, he will not stop his murderous campaigns to "restore Russia to its former glory". Not supplying Ukraine with the weapons they need now, is the real cause of prolonging the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,382 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I've heard that Scholz's SPD party are a big part of the problem. It seems many of them are opposed to sending tanks to Ukraine. Divisions in the party must be very serious if Scholz is resisting heavy international pressure, even from close friends and allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I hope they get them. Would soften old Krapzinc's cough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Very interesting and detailed article on Transnistria.

    I am left slightly puzzled by the assumption that gas and troops and equipment and such, can pass betweeen Russia and Transnistria at will, when the geographic reality seems to be that Romania, Moldova and Ukraine hold all the geographic cards and that if they all ban Russian planes from their airspace, the Transnistrian enclave is not going to survive a military encounter with Ukraine for long. There is just no supply route. All that free gas mentioned is entirely at the behest of Ukraine, not Russia.

    If Ukraine decides there is to be no more Transnistria, then they easily have the means to make it happen. This is what they should do, given recent history concerning enclaves and places seeded with Russians as a means to provide later military excuses. Needs to be done in the closing stages of the Russian conflict when there are forces to spare and before there is an actual cessation of hostilities and euro twatlings are in a position to raise objections. A couple false flags and have at them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There are reports of a quite a few joining Wagner, a sort of modern international brigade.


    Better off learning to juggle chainsaws while drunk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire



    It seems that many miss what's really happening in Ukraine and are focused on what Zelensky is looking for, and the cost. What's happening is that Ukrainians are fighting the enemy at the European gate, and if the Ruzzians get in that gate, then all hell will break loose in Europe, and all your comments about what it costs to feed , educate them etc ( copy and paste from one of your comments on the Multicultural thread,) will fade into insignificance, when or if war breaks out, and that's for sure. We should be down on our knees thanking Zelensky and Ukrainians for what they are doing, protecting Europeans, and not bean counting. The real cost in this war is Ukrainian lives, and that's part of the price they are paying. And if they were not, then maybe European's would be paying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The ammo stockiles are iffy. I saw images, which of course I can't find now, showing huge piles of shells and weapons all rusted to bits stored in the open, but I have also seen pics of stuff stored indoors, but even that stuff is likely unsafe:

    The pipeline surely comes via Ukraine, so whether there's gas to tap into is entirely up to Ukraine, not Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Putin discussed with Russian security council latest developments of war against Ukraine


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Are they tone deaf? What other country (apart from Russia) was looking to block leopards being given to Ukraine?

    Ukraine should come out and state they don't want Abrams to put the pressure back on Sholtz so he can come up with another excuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,167 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    People focusing on Germany but it's the US and Germany both refusing to send tanks. There is cracks widening in NATO. Needless to say, this is what Putin wants.

    I think the real issue is Germany doesn't think Ukraine can win the war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The US has always said the Abrams tanks weren't suitable for ukraine due to the more difficult matainance involved with it's gas turbine engine vs the diesel leopards,the Ukrainans are already well versed in diesel macanicals,

    This is Germany playing games



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    Ukraine can win with superior Leopards and Howitzers etc, but they can't win without them. The west can't win this war in dribs and drabs, that is a recipe for failure. They are being controlled by fear and Putin knows it. Putin would see Russian descend into the abyss before he gives in. The west should arm Ukraine now and stop being such cowards.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There's also no countries operating Abrams in Europe, so that's going to be difficult in maintenance and repairs. Everyone but Germany knows the quickest tank Ukraine can hop into and turn-key on, is a leopard.


    We all know Russia is the biggest donor of tanks to Ukraine. Maybe Germany would feel more comfortable giving tanks to Russia and then in turn Ukraine can capture them.

    It's probably the quickest way Ukraine would get a leopard at this stage.

    Maybe nordstream 2 also needs to go boom, so the lure of cheap gas will truly be gone and Germany can go all in on Ukraine.

    Baffling, I mean if Germany choose the same policy (no German tanks leaving Germany) in 1939, it would have been good. It's a little different now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    So what does the smoke say, tanks or no tanks? Which is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    In fairness I don't think that is the reason (for Germany not supplying tanks - if that is what you were getting at!).

    These Western companies still in Russia could not be making great amounts of money right now, could they (?).

    If they up and leave they will lose all their assets there. A complete write off of whatever they have, they will at best have take minimal % of value they can get off a local or some Turkish or Chinese or Indian war profiteering company, or at worst everything will just be straight up robbed off them at stroke of a pen and gifted to a Putin crony. The EU (and Germany) will have the most to divest & unwind simply because they have the most & were most tied into the Russian economy.

    I think at this stage sanctions should be brought in that start to force these companies, particularly ones that are important to Russia's economy/society & indirectly aid the war effort to divest themselves from Russia + face up to it no matter what the loss is (or become a Russian company if that is what they want and get locked out of the West).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Russia needs time at the moment, get ready for a spring offensive. Use sheer numbers massive fire power, Leopard tanks will be a significant threat to that. Every day Berlin can buy for them is a help.


    Every day this war goes on the chance for it to become even more damaging grows.


    Russia will lose, it may burn to the ground after but the problem with lunatics and petrol is that they may burn an awful lot more before being stopped. This war can become an awful lot worse and bigger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    Time to consider secondary sanctions. Thankfully, my company decided within weeks of the conflict starting to pull out of russia and never deal with them again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,167 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If Germany thought Ukraine would win the war I'm sure they'd get a lot more military aid.

    There is a major Russian assault coming. I wonder if it's a case of would the tanks be in service in time but also would it be enough anyway?

    From Germany's perspective these concerns seem understandable even if frustrating for everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Might be the opposite,they are afraid they will drive them all the way to Moscow leading to decades of unrest and possibly a nuclear reaction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    they're russian and i've seen them do a 180 turn after launch i wouldn't be so sure about the safety



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    If Germany thought Ukraine would win the war I'm sure they'd get a lot more military aid. That says a lot about Germany

    There is a major Russian assault coming. I wonder if it's a case of would the tanks be in service in time but also would it be enough anyway? They've only had a year to work this out

    From Germany's perspective these concerns seem understandable even if frustrating for everyone else From Germany's perspective

    Here's an oxymoron for you Kermit.

    German efficiency



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Give Ukraine more artillery and cluster bombs, russians can fcuk off with their offensive, they lack equipment and mere mortals will be shredded by those weapons - Ukraine isn't a signatory to anti cluster bomb treaties, with good reason they have mordor as a neighbour.

    I don't believe "Germany" believes Ukraine can't win the war. I believe the German govt. and probably some in the civil service are rotten, either sympathisers, amoral type capitalists, or beholden to russia. It is a ploy to gain favour with murderers for future business deals.

    Western weapon quality coupled with Ukrainian will to win will defeat the orcs. The only question here is why are some Western interests determined to strangle the flow of weapons despite the stink that will follow them for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭Polar101


    No Leopards, but plenty of heavy artillery and munitions sent to Ukraine (again). Rumour has it that the package will also include some upgraded BMP-2's, since they could be replaced by Sweden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Either Arm and give 110% support to Zelensky now, immediately, or at a future date face Ruzzia themselves on European territory. Maybe the West is afraid of Putins nuclear threat's, but that's not a guarantee that Putin will be afraid of NATO the same way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    I think we should join NATO. Let them develop the ports for military logistics and build airstrips to cater for anything they want to land. Neutrality is an illusion and we can't sit on the fence until China kick off aswell. If we had joined with the allies officially during WW2 we could have had a ton of money pumped into the country for rebuilding and investment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    I wonder what became of the Irish merc with wagner that we heard of at the start of the invasion. fertilizer i hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I wager the UK has been thinking ahead when training Ukrainians. Train them on Everything possible within reason. Otherwise the challengers would be of no use so they must already have been trained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    If Russia is declared a terrorist state many of the links with Russia will become illegal and they will have to cut the ties.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 836 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




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