Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Looking at absolute numbers is a distortion. Assuming that a country sizes it's infrastructure for the population that lives there, it is relative numbers that matter in terms of pressure on services and ability to provide for them.

Super simple stuff

We are having protests on one side with people within these protests obviously racists. "Ireland is full" etc. They do nothing positive but upset people.

Then we have people on one side saying "Refugees welcome" which obviously they are if they are coming from hellholes.

But we have no one sensible saying. What about people coming here from the UK after failing to seek asylum (wasn't their a Social democrat politician involved in something), ripping up travel documents, or coming from safe countries.

If politicians were more open about this I would be happy.

When I mentioned earlier in this thread that Ireland may emulate Britain with Muslims facing off against Hindus in Leicester I didn't expect it to occur this fast.

Yet here we are with Russians and Ukrainians going at it in direct provision with the fight spilling over into the classrooms through their kids.

I know most on here will choose one side over the other but I personally think of it as an argument between distant countries that I know little.

https://youtu.be/itImeeWTmbI

Jesus, Racist Karen recanting tales she clearly read off Facebook.

😂

Yeah. Derek Blighe paid her to make up the story. He's probably the one that is behind the violence at that hotel in Kerry as well.

From the article in the opening post, Michael Martin in July 2022 -

Mr Martin said he is holding an emergency meeting with ministers today to discuss the rising number of non-Ukrainian refugees arriving in Ireland.

The Taoiseach also hit out at UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Rwanda deportation policy saying it was “shocking” and suggested it could be responsible for the spike in asylum seekers arriving in Ireland.

The comments came as the Government conceded they have run out of space for refugees fleeing Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

Mr Martin said there are huge pressures on the asylum process and international protection applications, excluding Ukrainian refugees, are expected to be five times higher than expected this year.

“Annually, one could have been anticipating maybe 3,500. This year, that could be four or five times that figure, maybe more by the end of the year. So much so that Citywest, which was designed as a reception centre for Ukrainians fleeing war, (now) 70pc of Citywest are international protection applicants,” he said.

“I convened a meeting today of all the relevant ministers with a view to designing the next set of responses to deal with both people fleeing war from Ukraine, but also the international protection issue and the surge in numbers and to get a deeper analysis of that, but also to prepare a response from government in relation to that development as well, which is, quite significant and is placing considerable strain on existing state accommodation efforts,” he said.

“We will from policy perspective, prioritize those who are fleeing war are very vulnerable situations.

"And that will have to be on prioritisation in terms of orders or response in terms of emergency accommodation. We have to also deal with anomalies that have arisen within our existing international protection system,” he added.

Thanks for directing me to that article.

In February 2022 Roderic O'Gorman sent out tweets in five different languages, Albanian, Arabic, Somali, Urdu and Georgian advertising a pamphlet in which he promised new arrivals housing – own door accommodation – within four months, medical cards would also be available, and dentistry, mental health and other services.

https://gript.ie/photos-the-moment-when-roderic-ogorman-told-the-world-ireland-was-a-soft-touch-on-migration/

Five months later, in July 2022, Micheal Martin is calling an "emergency meeting with ministers to discuss the rising number of non-Ukrainian refugees arriving in Ireland" "who are putting huge pressures on the asylum process" and "placing considerable strain on existing state accommodation efforts"

Is the fundamental problem there

A. the absence of facilities for these (unlimited numbers of) new arrivals or

B. an utterly unrealistic policy on immigration by Minister Roderic O'Gorman.

The same amadan that tweeted in several different languages telling them all to come here is now saying there's nowhere to put them. You just have to laugh at the state of the clowns running this country.

It hasn’t been helped by hoteliers and other private accommodation providers being left out of pocket for months while providing for refugees and having to pay suppliers -

There are 240 Hotels around Ireland providing accommodation for 14,000 "refugees".

224 of those contracts need to be renewed by the end of March.

Two thirds of owners have not confirmed as yet that they will be renewing.

We know of examples like Carlingford where local protests in November produced an immediate statement from the hotel owner that they would not be renewing their contract.

I believe there are a lot of reasons besides protests why hotel owners will not renew. Pressure from fellow tourist business owners would be a major one. Nonetheless, if there have been protests outside a hotel and the same hotel does not renew its contract I think a lot of people will rightly or wrongly credit the protestors.

So over the next ten weeks you'll have

A. these former hotel residents being moved in to new accommodation and riling up new communities

B. communities who will be aware of examples all over the country where it will seem that protest has been effective.

That's what I'm looking forward to anyway.

Not paying some of the hotels is a massive own goal. It is now obvious that payment is not guaranteed when they sign up.

No doubt you remember the protests that took place in Carlingford in November against the housing of refugees in the Carlingford Adventure Centre.

Not meaning to be funny with you bertie but no, no I don’t remember Carlingford or hearing anything about it. First I’ve ever heard of Carlingford was your post, second I’ve ever heard of it was when I searched for it on Google just now as I’d never heard of the place, nor the Adventure Centre. It’s in Louth… which might explain why I’d never heard of it before now 😂

EDIT: I’ve just searched for ‘Carlingford protests’, no need for Telegram, Irish Independent article gives pretty much the same account of their statement as you’ve given above. I can understand why you wouldn’t want to link to any sources in mainstream media though which also report on this sort of behaviour -

Local residents took to social media to express their views about the situation, with some expressing the opinion that it wouldn’t be the same for women and children to walk the streets of Carlingford. People also criticised the lack of communication.

A video which incorrectly claimed that 200 men had been bussed into the village under cover of darkness was widely shared on social media.

Footage of Sunday’s protest has also been posted online.

It shows a small group of people gathered in The Square, with most of the speakers seemingly from outside the village.

One woman, carrying a tricolour, said that the men were not refugees but are “part of a UN army come in to keep the Irish people in check for what’s coming next.”

Other speakers complained that there was “mass immigration into the towns and villages of Ireland” and that the refugees were not properly vetted.

"What kind of Ireland do you want in the future? Ireland belongs to the Irish.”

They also criticised the government parties and Sinn Fein.

Another man said it was “an invasion” and that Irish people would be a minority in their own country, while a voice from the crowd called for the refugees to be taken to Greenore “and put on a boat”.

However, one local man carried a sign which read: “Carlingford the silent majority welcomes displaced peoples. Happy Christmas. O Holy Night’.

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/louth/news/protest-held-in-carlingford-over-arrival-of-refugees-from-ukraine-42182549.html

A lot of people are posting absolute numbers of asylum seekers while failing to take into account the populations of the host countries. The quoted post above is one example.

"What a parcel of rogues in a nation". Robbie Burns