Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Yeah but the likes of Boggles will defend those Somali parents

WTAF? I defended child abusers. Absolute scurrilous accusation, shame on you!!

I don’t expect you to believe anything, nor do I expect you to buy anything. I specifically made the point that it’s because of the lack of investment by Government in previous decades that we are where we are now, and not for a minute so I think the current Government are going to give up an opportunity to grow the Irish economy which was handed to them on a silver platter, because that would be unpopular with the electorate, meaning they would actually be in trouble at the next election.

I don’t suggest relying on Government for anything, nor do I expect anything will be delivered by people whom it appears crawled out of the woodwork overnight to oppose refugees being accommodated wherever they’re being accommodated (cos most of the people generating animosity towards refugees aren’t locals, they travel round the country).

Instead they could do to learn a few lessons from actual communities and what can be accomplished without any support from the State when a community actually works together for a positive change -

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2022/1214/1341701-romanian-church/

As opposed to maintaining their claim over nothing, and ensuring that they are protecting nothing, in case anyone tries to take nothing from them.

That’s not the same thing as what I said, but regardless, it’s not as simple as you make out either, just ask Pat Kenny -

https://www.thejournal.ie/pat-kenny-loses-battle-planning-apartments-4734580-Jul2019/

Lost their battle against the development of social housing adjacent to their Dalkey home, a development funded by foreign investors under the Immigrant Investor Programme -

https://www.ft.com/content/50a158b8-aa23-4f23-8b11-db823345237b

These lads protesting outside refugee accommodation aren’t even at the races.

This is presumably down to my lack of a brain cell but I found that hard to follow.

You seem to repeat the media, NGO, opposition party argument: Government which should have been heavily investing in public services and infrastructure like schools, hospitals, etc should have gotten their finger out decades earlier

but then I can't see where you address the short term and long term problems I had with that as an answer.

I don't get the line about "refugees who aren’t using any resources and aren’t putting any pressure on public services". Is that supposed to be a caricature of my position or something you believe yourself?

The la-la land in which communities have the right to be consulted about the uses of premises for private accommodation, cognisant of the impact on access to public schools, public hospitals, etc? is this country.

And the right is implemented quite regularly through planning applications and objections to same.

(Although to be fair that right carries much more weight when it involves your better off communities. Not these ones.)

I’ll skip the rest of it as there’s nothing of any substance there, but this bit was interesting -

And the right is implemented quite regularly through planning applications and objections to same.

Is chanting “Get them out!” outside buildings where refugees are being accommodated, part of the planning applications appeals process now?

Nice edit there.

I never said you would defend their child abuse, I said you would defend them not to be deported.

Look how many criminals are left in Ireland after they have served their time in jail because ... because ... because ... they can't go home as it would be unsafe.

So would you agree that both parents should be deported ?

There were 630,000 asylum claims in Europe in 2021 and around 13,000 in Ireland in 2022 (non Ukraine). No evidence that asylum seekers are favouring Ireland to any degree over other western European countries.

Pretty late for goggle but Ireland has roughly 1% of EU population.

1% of 630000 is 6300, so our 13000 is double EU average and we are only country without a land border and the most westerly?

Do you have the EU 2022 figures? Is the 630000 of 2021 not much higher this year?

The 2022 numbers for not available yet. A quick glance at the figures would suggest that the numbers of asylum seekers are spread fairly evenly around western Europe, some countries take in a bit more than the average and some bit less, but the Irish numbers are not especially high.

Did you see the "?".

I did; I still don’t see your point though.

The percentages you were working out had nothing to do with the claims being put forward. There’s no need to be working out an EU average or anything else. You could still base it on 2021 figures and it wouldn’t make that much of a difference percentage wise because the figures will have increased overall for Europe, not just for Ireland.

In 2021, Germany received about 30% of asylum applications in the EU -

Number of applications per EU country (2021)

In 2021, Germany received over a quarter (30%) of asylum applications in the EU, followed by:

• France (19.1%)
• Spain (10.4%)
• Italy (8.4%)
• Austria (6.1%)

These five EU member states together received almost three quarters of all first-time asylum applications in the EU.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/asylum-applications-eu/

Ireland with its 2% of applications for asylum in Europe in 2021, won’t even be coming anywhere near the 30% of asylum applications Germany has received. The calculation has nothing to do with the existing population in any European country or the EU average of asylum applications received.

2022 figures, or even 2023 figures, won’t be all that different in terms of percentages of asylum applications, and still they won’t have anything to do with the existing population in any European country.

The existing population is irrelevant as to the percentage of applicants? We already know that the figure for applicants is 630,550, which is 100% of applicants. Germany received 30%, Ireland received 2%.

Other than that you’re only making work for yourself. It doesn’t support the claim that Ireland is any more an attractive destination for people seeking asylum than any of the other European countries.

EDIT: I still can’t work out what you’re trying to do by dividing the population of Germany by the population of Ireland and multiplying by 2, it doesn’t give you the figure you’re actually looking for. Divide the number of applicants received by the population of each country, separately, and multiply each answer separately, by 100, if you want to express each answer as a percentage.

Almost No one accidentally ends up in Ireland, There's effort gone in to getting here ,and that includes crossing several other states borders to get here.

I assume most people coming here to claim asylum have arrived from the UK ,

But we do have a duty to assist other European countries that have a crisis

I don't understand why we can't expidate the assylum process,it should be quicker.

But I think we should be helping more people,wether it's refugees coming via Italy/Spain/ or Greece ... not warehousing people but actually helping . Taking people from there or Syria ,camps in turkey or wherever

And that's not easy during a housing crisis in Ireland,