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Paschal Donohoe expenses controversy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Twice, I think. And he was even a minister with responsibility for dealing with this kind of thing.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    LDA board has (I think) three seats for government appointees. By definition whoever made the appointment would be his colleague

    What is the relevance of the other appointment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    The well qualified friend of the politician could go through the public appointments system process like other members of the board and then were wouldn't be any question marks over the appointment. If he is so well qualified he would surely meet the criteria set.

    With political appointments we don't know the criteria. All we currently know is that the applicant is a supporter of the political party that appointed him to the roles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,451 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What's the relevance? Really? Are you pretending now? Go on...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    The Housing Minister can appoint 4 members to the LDA and the other members of the LDA go through the Public Appointments Service. There's no real mystery about it. Stone was one of those. You are trying to make it seem like shenanigans were pulled and he was 'snuck' in the back door. He was appointed by the Housing Minsiter which is fully in accordance with the rules. I will agree that he was probably selected because of his friendship with either Donohoe or Eoghan Murphy. Most people would only nominate people they knew. There's no rule saying you can't appoint people you know.

    The criteria for political appointments is normally that the person is known to the Minister or a colleague of the Minister and that they deem the person qualified and capable of doing the job.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,861 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    FG are really looking desperate now. Do they think these tactics actually help?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Is that criteria set out anywhere?

    My point is that all appointments should go through PAS. Whilst the appointment is within the rules, the rules are set by politicians so that they can dole out appointments to friends and supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,451 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The 8 wrongs make a right argument.

    2011 was the year FG wrote the New Politics document and then proceeded to be even more unscrupulous than FF. They had good teachers to be fair.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    You might be right. Maybe all appointments should go through the PAS. But that's not the system we have at the moment. It's that way with lots of things and people aren't out protesting. Even the Seanad is that way. Certain members are elected and then the Government get to stick a certain number of their buddies in there, all within the rules.

    I don't know what the criteria is to be honest. Here's a bit of info on how the PAS system works. I'd imagine the competencies would be more or less the same for the role whether the person was appointed by the Minister or the PAS.

    www.stateboards.ie/en/process



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    I know how the PAS works. I was referring to the criteria for appointing mates. It shouldn't be the case that you have to imagine what the criteria is.

    I don't agree with how the Seanad is constituted but it would take a referendum to change that.

    Political appointments to state boards could be stopped in the morning if the political will was there. Instead politicians prefer to gift appointments to friends and supporters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭Lord Nikon


    The way the ECB is hiking rates, and the vulture funds companies like Promontoria Scariff, or whoever is now controlling those bought up mortgages, are hiking the interest rates in line with the ECB, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some to default on their mortgages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,020 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    So jobs for the boys or is it paying back debts? The minister shouldn't have the right to appoint anyone to any board, it would be better for the ministers to just nominate their selection to relevant body and then let them take care of it. That may then no questions can be asked on the Minister.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I agree with you that it would be better if all appointments were through the PAS. I've no problem with that.

    I assume you are saying that Ministerial appointments are because they want to give a job to their friends or because they owe someone something? Am I correct in thinking that? Yes, that could be the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,451 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The Minister for Reform has now stated that he is transferring all responsibility for Ethics legislation to the Finance minister. I guess he feels he can't be trusted with it.

    So don't expect to see any reform whatsoever. The Public Sector Standards Bill 2015 was already parked by McGrath and others.

    Damage done.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,020 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Exactly that, it may or may not be true but to use a phrase the politicians like "the optics" looks like it is jobs for the boys or payments for favours. It is much cleaner if the minister just hands off the nominations to this PAS group and lets them deal with it. I just don't get why they keep making a rod for their own backs by continuously making the appointments themselves or having another member of the party do it, we had it with Woulfe, we had it with Zappone and now this. Surely to jaysus the lessons would have been learned by now, just hand it off and remove yourself from the appointment that way then no questions can be asked as the minister can just say I followed the procedure I gave my nominations to PAS and they appointed whoever was suitable.



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    Pascal spending his alloted 5 minutes to 'answer' the questions posed by reiterating what he said in his opening statement. Farcical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭Degag


    Jaysus Pearse Doherty is some disgrace, just roaring and shouting there at the end.

    Mattie McGrath some spacer aswell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    He rarely answers questions properly. He says nothing for a long time......and then he shuts up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,031 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    That's true but why did he miss the payments ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭satguy


    The French might still have some slightly used guillotines for sale,, But there is 2 or 3 others from FG in front of him.. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Agree on Doherty. Surely it'd be in SFs interests to allow the minister waffle uninterrupted without answering any questions and then highlight this after the event...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,451 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Shortall and Connolly really hit the mark today in the Dail. Both excellent.

    A very embarrassing day for Paschal. Very damaging.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    I see there are more unanswered questions. Latest article says the minister had a two hour meeting with his corporate donor but refuses to say what it's about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭mattser


    3rd item on the Six One, just holding off Nadal's defeat in the Oz Open 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    You hardly think RTE et al are going to bite the hand that feeds them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,561 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Usual opposition trying to make a mountain ouha a molehill. Donohoe has always struck me as a straight and principled and honourable man. Society has no balance any more. It’s gone from getting away with everything to now being hounded and castigated for utter frivolous nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Isn't that the story though? He always appears straight principled etc but has admitted knowing about this since 2017 and doing nothing to correct the record with SIPO until now. Hardly the behaviour of a straight principled and honourable man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Sinn Fein would love if the other appointment had relevance, but are not mentioning it as it is quite an altruistic position with zero payment and zero expenses and if some of the groups involved are to believed, Michael Stone has contributed tens of thousands without looking for any credit.

    And similarly SF are trying to avoid accepting that Michael Stone has not accepted one cent for the LDA position and neither has requested any expenses to be paid.


    But sf are very quiet about Johnathan Dowdall and how his contribution to their election campaign was accounted for?


    And I'm sure there are plenty more sf examples considering they had more posters up than any other party.


    And did they pay "commercial rates" for the posters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Always been something of the Shadows about Pascal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I worked for a company that had 2 senior FG people on its board.


    It helped and it wasn't the quality of work we were delivering.



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