Eddie Jones’ swift Australia return could come back to bite England

Calahonda52 · 16-01-2023 03:28PM #1

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/jan/16/eddie-jones-swift-australia-return-could-come-back-to-bite-england-rugby-union

It also begs several broader questions. By letting Jones go without requiring him to serve any kind of gardening leave, the RFU has effectively handed over seven years of IP to one of its closest rivals and given them the inside track on their preparation secrets. History is littered with examples – New Zealand in 2003, South Africa in 2015, New Zealand again in 2019 – of Jones-coached sides lying in wait for supposedly better sides and, after months of intense planning, expertly springing the trap.

Will be interesting an WC

AbusesToilets · 16-01-2023 03:31PM

Seems remarkably harsh on Rennie. Australia have been on an upswing, and their results have been pretty good given the breadth of injuries they've had.

Cookiemunster · 16-01-2023 03:40PM

Can you put someone you've sacked on gardening leave? I mean if he left of his own volition, then they'd be fully within their rights to do so, but it wasn't Jones choice to leave.

pickarooney · 16-01-2023 03:56PM

You can offer them a golden parachute with a non-compete clause I suppose

16-01-2023 05:00PM

This is all absolutely great. Terrific entertainment.

Glencarraig · 16-01-2023 05:19PM

Jones is a horrible obnoxious arrogant twat, I hope he fails miserably.

Former Former Former · 16-01-2023 05:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120116285#Comment_120116285

That's no incentive to a man who knows he can walk straight into another job though.

The only thing the RFU really did wrong here was not sacking him a year ago.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 16-01-2023 06:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120116698#Comment_120116698

Often this gets negotiated at the start of the contract. In a section that governs paying compensation if firing someone there would be a clause on non compete. Bigger non compete would usually mean a higher compensation when firing someone.

I note that Farrell had a non compete when leaving the rfu. He worked as a consultant for Munster while waiting for a non compete to expire to take on the Irish role.

That said the RFU already had to pay close to a million pound (according to media reports) between firing Jones and Assistants and buying out Borthwick and assistants contracts.

16-01-2023 06:49PM

with the media coverage of Jones and his behaviour in the days before his sacking, maybe there was a thought that no one would hire him again so soon, at least not before the world cup

Pete_Cavan · 17-01-2023 07:28AM

I doubt the Australians have much issue with Jones's behaviour, most of them probably approve and think "good on 'em".

England have enough time to adapt systems to nullify any inside knowledge Jones had, although it probably means the 6N is a right-off for them as they adapt. Most of the knowledge he has on players would have been gained through scouting and analysis anyway, I'm sure he'll know how to wind up certain guys and will be licking his lips at the prospects of exploiting that.

Whatever advantages he has against England will likely be cancelled out by the England players motivation to get one over on him. They will be wise to all his tricks too so he loses one of his trump cards too.

lawrencesummers · 17-01-2023 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120116615#Comment_120116615

….(unless its against england)

Rugbymad2020 · 17-01-2023 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120116615#Comment_120116615

He’s a World Cup winner so not sure he gives a F* ** what u think of him

nice bit of green · 17-01-2023 11:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119424#Comment_120119424

Runner up as coach, no?

Cookiemunster · 17-01-2023 11:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119424#Comment_120119424

No, he is not a world cup winner as a coach.

17-01-2023 11:53AM

Getting rid of Jones cost the RFU a fortune. Getting a non compete would top up that cost and generally if your dismissed then those clauses typically laps.

He may not have had one as when he was last renewed it was to be his last contract with the RFU and as such they may not have anticipated circumstances where he left with such a short window to the RWC.

He's lost numerous coaches over the last few years, all of which cost the RFU along with the fact that they've paid off Leicester for Borthwick.

RFU likely could do very little about the situation, this has put a big hole in their finances.

17-01-2023 12:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119447#Comment_120119447

I think he means his "technical advisor" role under Jake White with the Springboks in 2007.

Rugbymad2020 · 17-01-2023 12:03PM

Coaching staff with SA in 07

nice bit of green · 17-01-2023 12:13PM

Ah ok, had no idea. Glencarraig’s point still stands tho. EJ needs to drop the horrible runt routine. And that’s runt with an r just in case others may think something else.

17-01-2023 12:19PM

Gavin Mairs (Chief rugby correspondent for the Telegraph) is reporting today that the Aussies first sounded out Eddie Jones about a role with them around 14 months ago, and that he met with them on at least 2 other occasions including during last summer's England tour to Australia.

I wonder is there any part of him that deliberately ratcheted up the controversy and squad disharmony in the hopes of getting the sack and a payout, and waltzing into a role with the Aussies?

I did think it was unusual when he started publicly criticising aspects of the English game in the months up to and during the November internationals.

17-01-2023 01:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119593#Comment_120119593

He said that was specifically about 2024. Him being controversial and underperforming as a coach would make Australia less interested in him so I doubt it.

Unless it was all one massive conspiracy.

tabby aspreme · 17-01-2023 01:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119593#Comment_120119593

I wouldn't be surprised, because Eddie Jones no 1 priority was always Eddie Jones

Dubinusa · 17-01-2023 02:42PM

Harsh on Rennie. They gave us and France tough outings this past autumn.

I think Jones will do well with Oz. They are turning the corner and he could get a lot out of them.

17-01-2023 03:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119814#Comment_120119814

I really don't think so. The Aussies know exactly what he's like, and it's less of an issue for them it would appear.

Obviously he's said it was about 2024, but he would have to, he was under contract at the time so would be opening himself up to legal issues to say anything else.

It's fairly well documented how he considers himself this sort of master schemer / manipulator, so it wouldn't shock me at all.

Glencarraig · 17-01-2023 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119424#Comment_120119424

Well...........I'm devastated that the obnoxious twat doesn't give a f**k about me.............lol😁😁😁😁

FlubberJones · 17-01-2023 03:57PM

Hope he does well, we needed a 'pantomime villain' in the six nations and he fitted the bill perfectly... Going to Oz it's just taking the villain global.

Eddie Jones’ swift Australia return could come back to bite England

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