Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

People who never dreamed of voting for them in their lifetime would strongly consider it

The lived experience is though that migrants do not send their children to gaelscoileanna and if you wanted your child to be educated in a setting that did not have migrant children then a gaelscoil is the perfect choice. There are also other ways, ones that are chosen if you don't succeed in getting into the gaelscoil.

A very mixed diverse town I know has 4 primarys serving it: three in the town (including a gaelscoil) and one on the edge. The middle class parents in the town choose to use the gaelscoil (first choice) or the school that almost everyone has to drive to. Failing to get entry to these results in further driving to rural schools rather than the walking distance schools in the town.

I do know a couple of parents that sent their children to gaelscoil, and their primary motivation was not the language but who their children would be mixing with. In moments of candour these few have told me so - as I wanted opinions on to where to send my own children. They want their children to go to school with children of parents like themselves.

Is the motivation true for all: of course not. Some do genuinely love the language, but the actual motivation of parents that have zero Irish and zero intention to learn any? One can't but conclude there are also other factors, such as who else is in the classroom, at play.

I don't really buy into this theory of yours where people send their kids to Gaelscoils so the kids don't have to deal with riff raff or foreigners. I was sent to a primary gaelscoil because it was around the corner from our house and because my dad had an interest in Irish, there were no foreign kids back then in anyone's class to avoid regardless of the school. Most of the kids were from nearby, a normal working class area, although some did come from further afield places like Malahide and were definitely a bit posher, but this was down to the fact that there weren't any Gaelscoils up that way.

I know it's very hard to get a place in that school nowadays for kids but that's just down to it being a good school.

One has to realise that all the far right parties combined got about 12,000 votes nationally at the last general election. By the time the next election comes around there will be many more than 12,000 new immigrant citizen voters. They will be unlikely to vote for far right parties so the likelihood of support for the far right dictating the outcome of the next election is highly unlikely.

The Monster Raving Loony Party has achieved more votes and a higher percentage of the vote than any far right party in Ireland. It has also succeeded in getting candidates elected. Something no far right party has been able to do.

If the left and far left lose votes to far right parties at the next election that is a reflection of their failure to represent the concerns of their constituents.

It is interesting that the leaders of the left and far left in Ireland are frequently middle class, privately educated, wealthy individuals whose priorities differ greatly from those who they claim to represent.

Are there any Ukrainian children in Gaelscoileana?

It seems yes.

https://www.echo.ie/ukraine-children-speak-cupla-focal-at-irish-language-school/

We sent our kids to a Gaelscoil, my wife is a teacher, the other choice was an Educate Together, she has worked in Educate Together schools and it was enough to ensure that it was not even being considered.

That Educate Together, is nearly all Irish kids, before you go there.

It is the ethos, the board of management types. The children are not getting what they need in those schools and unless the ethos changes and it is going to be a problem for them. For right or wrong education and educational standards are important.

You are also starting to see very dedicated teachers avoiding Educate Together schools because of the nonsense and chaos they have to put up with.

Are there any African kids in Gaelscoileana.

The 2018 presidential election was an outlier. Sinn Fein were the only political party to nominate a candidate and they only got 6.4% of the vote. Casey’s vote may have been as much a protest at the quality of candidates and the broken promise of the incumbent not to seek a second term as a shift to the right.

Casey failed spectacularly at all subsequent elections, Seanad, European and General.

The Sinn Fein leadership, like everyone else, can see how their vote is being threatened by their silence on the need for tighter borders.

Their problem is that a large part of their new membership over the last 10 or 15 years is woke. And SF have been allying themselves with immigrants for a while now looking for their votes.

It's not like Sinn Fein don't have a history of dumping whole sections of their support when it becomes an electoral liability. It's that they can't do it quickly. The old analogy of trying to turn an ocean liner around.

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The NP and, currently, the Freedom Party just don't have people with the political experience and cop on to get elected. Irish politics is senior hurling. Malachy Steenson is head and shoulders above anyone else on the "Right" in terms of experience but it just shows how poor the field is. There'd be 1 or 2 political operators the equal of Malachy in any FF cumann.

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For me the hope of getting things done lies with changing rhetoric and policy in the mainstream parties. (Doesn't bother me if it's done "to stop the rise of the Far Right".)

Here's a good example of how things are turning:

Gript have an article today pointing out what a sham the asylum business is.

https://gript.ie/new-figures-underline-what-a-farce-irelands-asylum-system-is/

1/3 of worldwide asylum applications from South Africa are made in Ireland

27 people here in direct provision who came from the USA claiming asylum

half are people arriving here from Georgia, Nigeria, Algeria, Zimbabwe and South Africa.

extremely low rates of acceptance of applications, just 2.9% for Georgians, 10% for Algerians

Ireland rejected over 80% of the applications by people who travelled here from Zimbabwe, but they all seem to stay

etc etc

The solution:

they and thousands more could be processed quickly and sent home.

Such an efficient process would lead to a complete end to the protests that have been taking place outside of emergency accommodation centres in the past number of months. Of the 154 accommodation centres currently in use, 108 are designated as emergency centres.

They could all be closed if the Irish state started to take the same approach as other European countries to the issues of illegal immigration, particularly where it is linked to the destruction of documents and the trafficking of migrants from safe countries.

All of the mostly dubious applications could be quickly processed and failed applicants deported where no valid grounds are presented.

Meanwhile in today's Examiner

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41049113.html

The government is to

reduce waiting times for migrants from certain countries from between 17-24 months to three, which would see those rejected leave the country quicker

stepping up checks on people claiming to be coming from war-torn countries

the number of deportation orders is likely to increase

enhanced engagement with airlines, particularly those in Europe, to combat the rise in people arriving in Ireland with no documentation

re-emphasising to airlines what documentation to seek at the point of departure, and to flag “tell-tale” signs of any suspicious behaviour.

And once again, while we wait and see whether this gets implemented, there's no denying the language is changing. Thanks to Leo this week there are now things on the table that can be discussed that a fortnight ago would have marked you out as "Far Right".

This all might seem very sensible and obvious. Problem. Problem solved. But leave the last word to Gript.

To expedite the asylum process would offend the sensibilities of a class that clearly despises in large part many Irish people, and which bizarrely instinctively identifies with unknown strangers rather than fellow Irish citizens, but has no compunction about hitting said Irish citizens in their pocket.

Your argument has been truly debunked over and over, so much so that I'm not going to bother doing it again. It's madness that you're still using this argument, and it shows that you, like many same minded people, are just ignoring all counter arguments and repeating yourself. As it stands Ireland is full, which is not an opinion, it's based on all the relevant capacity metrics that exist. Your "Ireland isn't full" narrative is based on a fantasy of what this nation should/could be like, not what it is like.

What will really hit Sinn Féin is that it has promised the moon and stars but no party will be able to get housing completion to the 75k a year it needs to be with the current radical free market approach to migration, never mind the practical challenges. Housing completion will be down this year and probably next year, but hey what has reality got to do with it.

Never even mind meeting pent up demand.

Dublin SF is achingly Middle class now, that class divide will be a problem for them eventually.

Never mind that education, health, social services, etc etc etc won't keep up.

There are people being dumped into office blocks etc now and they will be still there in 10 years time and the narcissistic activists will have moved on.

Denmark has a strong Social state structure, which it is rightly proud of.

Correspondingly it has a firm line on the asylum industry and protection of that social state.

Syrians are now being flown home given the war is effectively over and on and on across other applicants.

That is a left wing Govt, not surprising because the asylum industry is a neoliberal project. Your Thatcherite economics on speed would not be entertained.