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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,084 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Have to assume Wallace-Daly Jnr. is just having a laugh.

    Anyone who can crap out and believe ramblings like that needs help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    And not only in Ukraine, bring on modern weapons so this terrorist nation can be battlefield anialated on mass no prisoners unless officers

    We didn't know we where going to fight in Ukraine, zombies I still find hard to believe



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The front line between Russia and Ukraine is pretty much fixed and likely to head back towards Russia in the coming months.

    Russia is spunking much missiles at buildings in Ukraine, but not killing many civilians (relatively).

    Russia is slowly destroying its economy and its ability to be belligerent.

    Most Russian atrocities now they are being held up in Ukraine are against Russians behind their lines.

    Europe/The West are acting more slowly/cautious than I’d like, but what they are doing - letting the drunk thug swinging and tiring themselves out - is working very well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭Bitcoin



    Number is going to go a lot higher 🤬

    Needs to be a big reaction to this. 12 British tanks just doesn't cut it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Oh they've little enough choice, but when corporations that powerful get in the door it's worrying, especially on virgin ground like Ukraine. Smacks of Haliburton and Iraq. And I'd not want them here either, but FFG are only too happy to encourage them and those like them. They're anything but a "good thing".

    The only "good thing" about this I see and like I said before, is The Money has decided that Russia has lost and they're investing in the winning side. Blackrock ready to move in is a significantly bigger sign of that than a handful of Challenger tanks from the UK.

    Always follow the money. That's why it's been my contention that Russia seizing the Airbus/Boeing fleet was one of their biggest and stupidest moves of this whole murderous idiocy, on or off the battlefield. You can largely "get away" with murdering civilians with enough surface contrition, sacrificial scapegoats and time, but pissing off The Money of the world is much harder to come back from.

    But like you I lay more blame at the feet of those like the German authorities and the EU to a lesser extent. They left it wide open for corporate interests and US corporate interests with it to slide in. Oh they'll be far better masters than Moscow, but they'll be masters nonetheless.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Very little of anything.

    We have a small number of javelins and other Anti tank weapons and some Giraffe anti aircraft systems .



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's not a video game. The training and support for such incredibly complex systems is extensive. You can't just hand pilots a manual and off they go. However the UK have been training Ukrainian forces in the UK, so it's entirely feasible that they've also been training some of Ukraine's pilots in these systems at the same time. The logistics and support are another thing. Spares, ammo, groundcrew training etc. It's why I've considered wild talk of F16's and the like scuttlebutt.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,452 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’ve a feeling you’re coming from a more HATE the EU rather than hating Russia, and shoe horning your own agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If it's a negligible amount (in the context of what's being used daily over there), then it may not be worth sending anything. There's also this other argument you hear that Ireland's defences are woefully understocked as it is and we therefore need more of everything to deter foreign aggression and/or be able to police our borders, territorial waters and airspace. So you'd expect those people to clear their throat if it came out that Ireland was donating what little usable weaponry it had.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Shame on me, you and all of us here in the EU. We should be out protesting as civilians or we're no better.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It pretty much sums up the clusterfúck this insane war is. And what the hell were the organisers of this nonsense doing letting Russia "compete"?

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    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It's been a few months since I sent my last letter, but this reminds to try again. Politicians will only act if people demand it.

    I wouldn't be hopeful of weapons, but we certainly could do more to provide non-lethal aid (helmet's, medical supplies, body armour, etc).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Typical cowards in Russia are saying the missle strike in Dnipro wasn't their fault,the Ukrainans shot it causing it to crash into the building therefore it wasn't our fault



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Ireland was committed to supporting Ukraine with non lethal aid and that there were discussions with the EU partners on a package. She must have been referring to this which happened a few weeks after I got my response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,447 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russian tank battalion suffers catastrophic losses.



    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    Someone with more military knowledge that me can expand on whether this would even be useful anyway, but we also have a double neutrality problem.

    We ourselves are neutral, and would need a change in our Constitution to donate arms to Ukraine and secondly some of our equipment is Switz, which as a neutral country does not allow it's equipment to be exported to a country actively involved in war like Ukraine.

    The majority of our IFV's are Mowag Piranhas III's which are Switz, some of our heavy mortars are also Switz and this probably (again someone with actually military knowledge can correct me on this) is the only offensive equipment we have which would be moderately useful to the Ukrainians at the moment. Perhaps our anti-tank weapons aswell, but what could we even afford to give away there 1,000-1,500 ?, it's negligible stuff.

    Our best course of action is to increase humanitarian aid, to lessen the load on some other countries and allow them to concentrate their resources and money on sending offensive weapons beyond our capabilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Exactly. Weapons just won't happen, but there is still more we can do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Big Ears We ourselves are neutral, and would need a change in our Constitution to donate arms to Ukraine and secondly some of our equipment is Switz


    We are neutral in government policy only,

    If the government had testicles they could send 2000 Anti tank missles but you are correct some of them are swiss which they would block us from sending any ,we do Also have bofars 40mm anti aircraft guns and Saab giraffe tracking radars



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,388 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    "It is a game of chess between USA and Russia. Where USA has moved a pawn into action and said 'check' and now the other party makes their even uglier move. It's a cynical and horrible game of chess with both parties being sh1ts but it is not Russias game alone."

    But the US and Biden didn't want Russia to invade Ukraine and were trying everything in their power to stop it from happening. There were frantic diplomatic efforts going on behind the scenes in an attempt to de-escalate the tension and Anthony Blinken met the Russians several times early last year. But Putin kept ramping up the tension and rhetoric throughout January and February and making more and more outrageous demands of the West and NATO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Seems like some people live in total denial ........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    It’s a game of chess…


    FFS Russia and its merry band of followers are a cancer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,452 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is why Crimea needs to be returned to Ukraine. No ethnic cleansing/importing Russians should be rewarded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭Field east


    And leave the building from the ground floor if you are allowed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Irish components found in Russian weapons used in Ukraine,

    Wonder what happened to neutrality.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You are so ill informed it's not worth discussing.

    A team of 18 French forensic experts has arrived in Kyiv to investigate the killings in the Ukrainian town of Bucha.

    It aims to help Ukraine with the investigation that Russia committed war crimes in the city.

    Investigators from the Institut de recherche criminelle de la gendarmerie nationale (IRCGN) are using

    French forensic team Bucha.jpg

    ICC Prosecutor Karim A.A. Khan QC announces deployment of forensics and investigative team to Ukraine, welcomes strong cooperation with the Government of the Netherlands


    I can confirm that today my Office has deployed a team of 42 investigators, forensic experts and support personnel to Ukraine to advance our investigations into crimes falling into the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (“ICC” or the “Court”) and provide support to Ukrainian national authorities. This represents the largest ever single field deployment by my Office since its establishment.

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    The first Lithuanian law enforcement team has arrived in Ukraine to help investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the Russian army, Lithuania's Prosecutor General's Office said on Thursday. The team of 40 people includes representatives of the Lithuanian Prosecutor General's Office, the police, the Lithuanian Police Forensic Science Centre and the State Forensic Medical Service.

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    THE HAGUE, Netherlands — An international organization formed to identify the dead and missing from the 1990s Balkan conflicts is preparing to send a team of forensics experts to Ukraine as the death toll mounts more than six weeks into the war caused by Russia's invasion.

    Authorities in Kyiv have reached out to the International Commission on Missing Persons to help put names to bodies that might otherwise remain anonymous amid the fog of war...The organization's laboratory in an office block on a busy street in The Hague will build a central database cataloging evidence and the identities of the missing.


    British counter-terrorism police are gathering evidence of potential war crimes after receiving over 50 reports following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    The Metropolitan Police’s War Crimes Team, a unit within its counter-terrorism command, said Friday it already received dozens of referrals from people with a link to the UK.

    Many of the referrals came from those who have directly fled the conflict unfolding in their homeland.

    Metropolitan Police’s headquarters, Scotland Yard, announced last month it was supporting the International Criminal Court probe into alleged war crimes.


    Britain will send investigators to Ukraine to help gather evidence of war crimes, including sexual violence, the foreign secretary, Liz Truss, has said.

    Then Ukraine recaptured Izium:

    Torture, Executions, Rape Among Russian War Crimes In Ukraine, UN Reports: Sep 23, 2022,07:44am EDT

    A group of United Nations investigators tasked with reviewing suspected war crimes Ukraine announced Friday they found extensive evidence of Russian atrocities against both military and civilian targets, marking the latest inquiry to claim proof of Russian offenses.

    ...Evidence of sexual and gender-based violence has also been found in victims, who range in age from 4 to 82.

    ...“The Commission has documented cases in which children have been raped, tortured and unlawfully confined,” Møse said. “Children have also been killed and injured in indiscriminate attacks with explosive weapons.”

    The exhumation of graves found in Izium was done with multiple international news and camera crews filming everything and acting as independent witnesses to verify everything. Some of the forensic people were not from Ukraine:

    Izium war crime interntional forensic.jpg

    I could go on... As for setting any record straight, you are not capable.

    Crawl back into your UFO with your lizard people friends and fly away for good, would you, before I throw up. And you can take any upvoters with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Neutrality is a moral sickness and an outright evil, in my opinion.

    If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.

    Desmond Tutu


    With a great moral issue involved, neutrality does not serve righteousness; for to be neutral between right and wrong is to serve wrong.

    Theodore Roosevelt


    “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.”

    ― Dante Alighieri


    “Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral. ”

    ― Paulo Freire


    Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.

    Elie Wiesel



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    All depends on what year of the Lord the items were supplied in, and if recent, were they supplied direct?



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