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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,377 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    If the company who supplies oil to them is known nobody should support them bit harder to boycott the others I suppose though nothing against the law should go on just hit the company in the pocket .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    What I can't understand is everyone is calling for Russia to withdraw to end this war. I mean heads of European Countries etc. It's fairly obvious that's not going to happen, so the logical step is to provide Ukrane with the means to drive them out. That means the equipment they need.

    Why the f**k if there is plenty of tanks and arms etc scattered around Europe can they not be sent to Ukraine to get the Job done. Finish it.

    People are saying that Countries don't want to commit their equipment in case they need it themselves. Against who? Each other? We all know who the aggressor is. Are they waiting for RUS to beat Ukraine and then progress to other European Countries so they can use the equipment.

    Send the equipment, finish them off, it will be a decade or two before they can try something similar. By which time arms stocks can be replenished.

    Its fairly simple, what are they afraid of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    How Russian mentality shows even in such silly events like Miss Universe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Angela Merkel admitted that the Minsk ‘Agreement’ was basically a hoax and not worth the paper it was written on.

    name calling and insults to follow for pointing out what is fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It was putin broke the two agreements as you remember from the threads 9 years ago, which you blamed Ukraine for everything along with the CIA



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I think the west just need to tell Russia if Russia keep attacking civilian targets, Ukraine will be given what ever is necessary to prevent said attacks up to and including weapons to take out the airbases etc...

    Like an ultimatum but it would be Russia technically escalating it rather than the west by giving Ukraine ATACMS and cruise missiles etc...

    We have seen with recent attacks on Russian airbases that it does have an impact on the timeline for the mass missile attacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,451 ✭✭✭zv2


    Ukraine are perfectly entitled to buy time by whatever means they choose. It is their country and Russia should remain within its own borders. There should have been no need for any agreements with the Russians.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Even a fully mobilised Russia will not be able to fully conquer Ukraine, even Kyiv, it may however take a lot more of the East and really bed in to what it already has.


    It's still a poor outcome and may well finish the economy of Ukraine for a generation, the serious implications for the economy of Europe etc.


    This is the problem with the drip drip approach from much of Europe. In another few months there could be several hundred thousand more Russian troops in Ukraine, badly fed they may be but they'll still be there dug in.


    There is a sizeable chance that this war could go on for years, every day now buys Putin more time to ensure that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Sure bombing civilian populations back to the Stone age ,

    Isn't telling about Russian mentality


    What is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    This is happening since day one terrorist attacks on ukraine by a terrorist state,

    And people are more interesting in making sure nobody says anything bad about Russia or the correct PC language is used.

    Priorities people priorities





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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty



    Do you support Russia's actions in invading Ukraine?

    Do you accept Russia is a terrorist state?

    Do you condone the war crimes committed by Russia in this conflict?

    Do you think Russia has observed all it's international obligations?

    Do you think Russia is a force for good or bad?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Maybe Ukraine should start hinting that, when the massive rebuild starts, priority will be given to contractors who's countries provided the most support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,388 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Are Russia allowed to compete? That really surprises me, especially given the contest is being held in the US. They've been banned from numerous cultural events, including Eurovision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,671 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Miss Universe was previously owned by Trump right up to 2015. The stories of him hanging around the changing rooms of Miss Teen USA also date from his ownership of these pagents.

    Passed a few owners after 2015 and now belongs to some Thai group. However given the stink of Trump from this thing, I’m not too surprised that Russia got to join in.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Well Zelensky has already announced an alliance with the huge investment company Blackrock to help in reconstruction. They'll be the ones deciding who will be given priority. Their friends who will get the massive cash payback over time. Which will be the already hyper rich mostly in the US. Everyone else will get scraps from that table. Oh sure they'll let some EU stuff in, because they want in there, but...

    IMHO this is well bloody dodgy. That company are utter bottomline bastards buying up whole neighbourhoods in the US and elsewhere driving up house costs and creating an extended renter demographic for fun and profit. They have their hands in everything that turns a profit for them. 21st century robber barons. They'll try and likely do the same in Ukraine. They'll have it by the short hairs when this is all done and dusted. A "virgin" nation in effect in hock and beholden to them for their help. The conspiracy nutters go on about "elites" and nebulous "lizard people" types pulling strings and Blackrock and those like them are hiding in plain sight with the financial clout of countries.

    On the positive note as far as the war goes, the fact that these scumbags have backed Ukraine means The Money pretty much worldwide is backing Ukraine. They care little as far as "morals" go, it's all about the juice and it has decided that Russia at this moment and for the foreseeable(until it breaks up enough for them to get their snouts in the trough again) simply isn't profitable. If there was anything to add to the pile of why Russia has already lost, this is a big one. You can be sure they're already "lobbying" dissenters in the US government.

    The only other negative is they also see this going on for a while and crowds like Blackrock are also heavily invested in the US arms industry, so even if Russia suddenly pulled off the reversal of fortune of the millennia, either way they'll still make bank.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Of course, only the very innocent would believe that Ukraine will not have to pay back what they are receiving ten times over. It’s an existential crises so Zelensky has no choice but to sign his country away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭threeball


    Any victory there will make another mobilisation easier to sell. Your average Russian hasn't any more clue what Soledar is than you or I had 12months ago.

    The masses get sold a lie telling them of their heroic victory and taking of this vital crossroads, a springboard for consolidation of their lands in Ukraine. Now is the time to join our glorious victory.

    And it will make getting the numbers they need to fulfill easier. No victory should be considered small, especially one that has attracted so much attention, due to the propaganda potential.

    If Ukraine were to prevail here you could be looking at reducing the length of the conflict quite substantially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I said it was around 1600-2000 available there was something like 3000 leopards built but not all of them are main Battle tanks,

    Some are tanks, recovery vehicles, briding vehicles and mine clearing, training vehicles .

    Poland has done deals with the US for 366 Abrams,and a deal with Hyundai Rotem in Korea for 180 K2 Black panter tanks bringing the polish tank force to nearly 800 alone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭threeball


    And yet she still pumped billions into the Russian economy to make sure they had plenty of cash to wage their wage. You'd imagine a woman who ran Europe's strongest nation couldn't be so thick but you'd be wrong. She's turning out to be a right ignorant pig.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭threeball


    It's actually in their interest to extend this. More American weapons sold, more buildings and cities destroyed, means more to rebuild. A more depressed economy means lower wages which means more profit for Blackrock. Vultures



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    The Ukraine is now completely f** one way or the other.

    International capital interest has started buying Ukrainian agricultural lands wholesale before this war already. And all those shiny weapons aren't actually being gifted either by those generous allies. And ironically all those shiny weapons will achieve is that the country gets now reduced to rubble and the young generation gets killed or left invalid. But sure in the end resisting the demand for neutrality will be all worth it. Self-determination my arse.

    The Ukraine will be the poor house chained to the leg of the EU for generations to come and guess who will be paying for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Resisting the demand for neutrality,

    Are you for real do you actually believe this was war to keep ukraine neutral ,


    Not surprised at at all ,

    Not one bit .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I have a fair idea what this war was for but I don't think there is any point discussing this here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Horse manure. Ya forgot the fact that without the shiny weapons the place would be reduced to rubble AND be overrun by murdering land grabbing rapists.

    International capital interest has started buying Ukrainian agricultural lands wholesale before this war already

    This is happening the world over. How many houses and land banks have been sold to international funds here in good old Ireland. Not to mention the amount picked up cheap by vulture funds. And now we have international funds buying land for diddly squat in the name of the "environment" via Coillte.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yes it doesn't involve neutrality or Nato or the CIA .

    But it does involve one man's crusade to expand the Russian empire ,

    100,000 dead orc's for what...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Thought you weren't into hate speech, no?

    one man's crusade to expand the Russian empire

    ^ but then again you do seem to like the simple messages, so I guess it all fits together



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That's not hate speech...


    One man's crusade to expand the Russian empire.

    Fact.


    Monsanto we haven't had them mentioned in a while maybe he's saving the environment.

    But he just needs to massacre hundreds of thousands of Ukrainans first ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,693 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The fact that Russia has stripped troops from NATO borders meant to protect from a NATO invasion shows it never had any real fear of Ukraine in NATO.

    Your claims about neutrality are disproved by Russian actions.

    And the war has directly led to Sweden and Finland looking to join NATO.

    But you have shown you believe Russian propaganda so will believe anything without evidence.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    I know, if only those silly Ukrainians would stop resisting the idea that they're Russian and just allow the eradication of their whole culture, everything would be fine and we could get on with debating about the war in Poland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,350 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Tirlan formally Glanbia here in Ireland, their suppliers and friends donated 18 4wds, an ambulance, 32 generators, and winter clothing to the border of Ukraine.

    It's actions that are needed not words.



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