Russia - threadbanned users in OP

There you go, not that I ever had an interest in the crap they sell.

For those who shill for Russia, and in a more general sense, how could you possibly try and put a positive spin on either the war or the current battle for Soledar from a Russia perspective.

We are talking about a tiny town of questionable strategic importance and a monumental meat grinder for the RU forces. Even if they "win" this localised battle, what then? What is the end game?

I can't get over the fixation on this town and the bizarre notion that winning Soledar will somehow herald the beginning of the reversal of their misfortunes.

How many 'victories' like Soledar can Russia afford? As others have alluded to, it is textbook example of a pyrrhic victory, or one in which the political imperative of a victory, any victory, outweighed the military cost or strategic value.

The propaganda that Russia is losing morale lack of supplies mobilisation problems etc

I fear wager was used to wear down Ukraine forces and the Russians will push to karmatorsk

Yes it's a small victory but it's what comes next is the west backing off allowing dombass to fall

Predicting war outcome is impossible

What is certain Russia is in for a long fight and won't stop at Ukraine.

At this stage they would be better giving ukraine cruise missiles so they can hit deep inside Russia , especially it's airbases

What I can't understand is everyone is calling for Russia to withdraw to end this war. I mean heads of European Countries etc. It's fairly obvious that's not going to happen, so the logical step is to provide Ukrane with the means to drive them out. That means the equipment they need.

Why the f**k if there is plenty of tanks and arms etc scattered around Europe can they not be sent to Ukraine to get the Job done. Finish it.

People are saying that Countries don't want to commit their equipment in case they need it themselves. Against who? Each other? We all know who the aggressor is. Are they waiting for RUS to beat Ukraine and then progress to other European Countries so they can use the equipment.

Send the equipment, finish them off, it will be a decade or two before they can try something similar. By which time arms stocks can be replenished.

Its fairly simple, what are they afraid of.

Angela Merkel admitted that the Minsk ‘Agreement’ was basically a hoax and not worth the paper it was written on.

name calling and insults to follow for pointing out what is fact.

I think the west just need to tell Russia if Russia keep attacking civilian targets, Ukraine will be given what ever is necessary to prevent said attacks up to and including weapons to take out the airbases etc...

Like an ultimatum but it would be Russia technically escalating it rather than the west by giving Ukraine ATACMS and cruise missiles etc...

We have seen with recent attacks on Russian airbases that it does have an impact on the timeline for the mass missile attacks.

This is happening since day one terrorist attacks on ukraine by a terrorist state,

And people are more interesting in making sure nobody says anything bad about Russia or the correct PC language is used.

Priorities people priorities

Maybe Ukraine should start hinting that, when the massive rebuild starts, priority will be given to contractors who's countries provided the most support.

Of course, only the very innocent would believe that Ukraine will not have to pay back what they are receiving ten times over. It’s an existential crises so Zelensky has no choice but to sign his country away.

I said it was around 1600-2000 available there was something like 3000 leopards built but not all of them are main Battle tanks,

Some are tanks, recovery vehicles, briding vehicles and mine clearing, training vehicles .

Poland has done deals with the US for 366 Abrams,and a deal with Hyundai Rotem in Korea for 180 K2 Black panter tanks bringing the polish tank force to nearly 800 alone