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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    This is class and the backing music is appropriate 💣️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,453 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,602 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Serious question. Is it time to start boycotting those suppliers who are providing goods and services such as heating, gas,electricity, broadband etc to the Russian embass. That crowd in Orwell Road are pretty much giving the finger to Ireland and promoting that mass murderer putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    So only 2 days to wait and see if the Sun got it right. I like the sound of immediately, but would prefer thay add a zero to the number.

    The Ukrainian amabassador to Australia has been asking for tanks. They have 59 M1A1s they could probably spare. Were I Australian PM, I wouldn't hesitate and I'd quietly tell the US to say yes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,447 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    It's been reported again today. Hoping it's true. If the UK sends the Challengers, it will probably force Scholz Treebeard to send the tanks.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    As for a 2nd mobilization, when Putin was planning his invasion, he called it a " special military operation", and the word WAR was avoided at all costs. Most of his army thought that they were on military maneuvers, and were surprised to find themselves actually in Ukraine. The word "Mobilization" was also very much avoided, and all because Putin feared a public backlash. Then mounting losses forced his hand, and he had to call for a "Limited" mobilization of 300'000 conscripts. While there was a certain amount of reaction to this, ( mainly the departure of 700'000 citizens from Russia) any kind of violent protests were easily contained. And now, rumor has it that there will be a 2nd mobilization of 700'000 conscripts. Could this and the mounting toll of Russian Soldier deaths be the catalyst for change in Russia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    It will probably depend on what part of Russia the next mobilised come from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    He will keep away from Samara anyway, I'd say. That's where most of the soldiers were from who died when they were packed into building which was also using its basement as an ammo dump and got hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukaine thinks they are aiming for a military of 2 million and that they are preparing to shift to a wartime economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,388 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's a good question but I suppose the providers, suppliers etc would say it's up to the Irish government to make a definitive decision whether that embassy should be on Orwell Road or not and it's a little unfair to expect them to intervene off their own bat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Ukrainians have done tactical retreats throughout this conflict - quite a few on the eastern front when Russia began their Summer offensive, so they know when it's expedient to cut and run. We know Ukraine's intel is at least decent and it would be a basic enough thing to say that Russia are just throwing grunts at this and looking to take Bakhmut at a proportionally higher cost in personnel to Ukraine than to Russia, and then take that and formulate a retreat plan, as they have done, and done ably. Are we saying that it's a case of Ukraine's heart leading its head with the confrontation at Bakhmut? If so, every NATO advisor must be going red in the face right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,447 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Sky News confirming UK to send Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine.


    Fair fcuks to them.


    Few posters here have experience with tanks. Maybe they'd be able to give an honest assessment if this will make any substantial difference at all. Or how they will fair against Russian T tanks.


    More confirmation from BBC

    www.bbc.com/news/uk-64274755.amp

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That number will not make much of a difference, but will be very welcome, that's for certain. I posted something two pages back that states quite clearly what Ukraines needs are and how many are required to make a difference: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120103089/#Comment_120103089



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    On Poland, alot of the stuff the govt. say is I think theatre to please their voting base. They actually quite like antagonising Germany (within certain limits).

    It is very like how the govt. periodically raise Polish WW2 dead + claim (modern) German culpability, wave shrouds and make crazy demands for multi-trillions of Euro in reparations (but [mostly] just talk and don't really do much concrete about it).

    Now (since invasion) they are doing a similar kind of politicking around supply of weapons to Ukraine.

    IMO no matter what they say, Polish govt. would never stick their neck out and send any new classes of weaponry until there is some NATO/collective decision on it. Poland also will not wish to deplete the strength of their own military by sending off their own top of the line/in service equipment (as you say they are very nervous of Russia) unless they are guaranteed replacements/alternatives are coming quickly.

    Said it before but must say it again, occasional extreme outbursts of anger, hysteria, and invective on the thread against countries judged as falling short and not providing either sufficient or sufficiently powerful weaponry to Ukraine is kind of (darkly) funny (to me) coming from this direction ("neutral" Ireland!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    6/7 months ago the idea of Russian going for a full mobilisation and war economy would have been seen as the end of Ukraine as an independent country. Everything was carefully calibrated not to trigger such an event. The fact that such a prospect no longer has that inevitability about it really speaks volumes . Granted it is still in Ukrainian interest not to escalate dramatically ,especially in relation to Belarus , but the snails pace movement of the Russian army and brutal human wave tactics really has removed any trace of formidability about them. If Ukraine lose to this Russian army it will be because of neglect, disinterest and incompetence on a massive scale none of which look a likely prospect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    As mentioned.

    If the west would just stop needlessly sacrificing Ukrainian lives and just supply the 400 tanks they need, this won't be a long drawn-out war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,602 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    True but there is nothing preventing us from getting our goods and services from companies who are not selling to the Russian embassy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,388 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    For sure, that would be democracy and freedom of expression in action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,602 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    There you go, not that I ever had an interest in the crap they sell.



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    Headline should be…


    Russia switches to "Special Military Operationtime economy" in preparation for drawn-out Special Military Operation.

    🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭Homelander


    For those who shill for Russia, and in a more general sense, how could you possibly try and put a positive spin on either the war or the current battle for Soledar from a Russia perspective.

    We are talking about a tiny town of questionable strategic importance and a monumental meat grinder for the RU forces. Even if they "win" this localised battle, what then? What is the end game?

    I can't get over the fixation on this town and the bizarre notion that winning Soledar will somehow herald the beginning of the reversal of their misfortunes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭Bitcoin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,693 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    How many 'victories' like Soledar can Russia afford? As others have alluded to, it is textbook example of a pyrrhic victory, or one in which the political imperative of a victory, any victory, outweighed the military cost or strategic value.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I thought all Ikea stores were closed in Russia and they were looking at options of selling them.

    The MEGA brand is shopping malls, not the Ikea stores. Not sure how they could close the malls when Tennant's have contracts etc... But they could certainly try sell the malls on to someone else.

    Unless they reopened the Ikea stores under the MEGA brand, which would be pretty **** of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    The propaganda that Russia is losing morale lack of supplies mobilisation problems etc

    I fear wager was used to wear down Ukraine forces and the Russians will push to karmatorsk

    Yes it's a small victory but it's what comes next is the west backing off allowing dombass to fall

    Predicting war outcome is impossible

    What is certain Russia is in for a long fight and won't stop at Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    You could debate what Russian morale is actually like.

    I suppose many of the mobilised won't be there for very long and have been subject to extreme Russian propaganda until very recently.

    However I can't imagine that lasts very long. Even Russian forces in Soledar who have successfully advanced will see the quantity of fellow Russian soldiers who lie dead on the battlefield. It's impossible to expect the majority of those won't be questioning their own mortality right now.

    Sure some will fight with renewed vigour with success, but most will try to prioritise their own survival above all else going forward, not progression of their army.


    As for supplies, it's been well substantiated how many Russian soldiers do not have appropriate body armour, tourniquets and often weapons. There's a reason underwear is so frequently looted from Ukrainian homes. Of course this isn't all of the Russian army, many will be well equipped, but a vast number are not.

    Also add in the fact their missile supplies are starting to run low. Which is probably why they have changed the head of their army again, as trying to target Ukrainian civilians and their energy supply with missiles hasn't really worked.

    You have to say without question they are short of supplies. Also if the previous mobilisation had worked so well, would they really need another one ?

    If anything, another mobilisation will only highlight the fact of how poorly things are going for the Russians as things stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    At this stage they would be better giving ukraine cruise missiles so they can hit deep inside Russia , especially it's airbases



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,388 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    No way could that be construed as 'collateral damage' or a military target. They just fire cruise missiles straight into city centres.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,900 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    More political "Hey, send Leopards, you idiots" than practical.

    My interview here.




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