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Thinking of going electric

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  • 14-01-2023 8:58am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭


    Hi all. I am considering buying my first Ev and was thinking something around 45k ie the new Megane or Kia Niro, just stumbled across the Model 3 thread and see the price decrease. I have a 142 Lexus Is 300h to go against whatever I go for. Most of the time our journeys are short, we live in East Cork and do the odd trip to the city, holidays in West Kerry, no commute as I have a work vehicle, but we have a child with complex medical needs and have about 3/4 trips a year to Crumlin/Temple street, sometimes we have extended stays if he needs admission.

    Range anxiety is a big issue for my partner for those Dublin trips and has put her off going electric until now. We usually stop on the way up and the way back for 30 minutes. I would love to get some advice based on the above from Ev owners. I see the long range Model 3 is coming in at 53k, quite a bit more than we wanted to spend but has me thinking about those trips to Dublin.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,012 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I would say the main advantage of a Tesla is the supercharger network. There's a supercharger site in Dublin, so if an SR will cover the distance from Cork then you could use it as a destination charger

    Otherwise the route from Cork to Dublin is reasonably well served with high powered chargers at Cashel, Mayfield and Kill

    So I would say you'll probably be fine with any of the cars you listed, although the Model 3 charges fastest of all of them I think

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭eagerv


    You have the most convenient charging at Ballacolla Tesla Supercharging plus Sandyford. I would be perfectly happy with medium length journies in Ireland with a RWD and pocket the difference with the LR.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Thanks, appreciate the input. The Tesla Rwd seems like the best option so for the Dublin trips with the supercharger network and faster charging. I suppose the next thing to do is test drive all three and go from there. If I were to go with the Tesla will I need to travel to Dublin to collect?

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It depends. Tesla have a cork office. They sometimes offer deliveries there.

    What is your budget?

    No point testing the €66k P if your budget is mid 40’s. Test the RWD and see if that can suit your needs.

    The only issue is your Crumlin trip but your route is well served for charging.



  • Registered Users Posts: 31 grange girl


    A number of years ago I started on the electric car journey with caring commitments too. To be honest, much as I love driving electric, be careful. If you need to get to Dublin in any medical emergency, you can't be stuck waiting for a charger. Therefore I think that Tesla is the only real option given the supercharger network. Any other option will have you tearing your hair out. We went with PHEV and were very thankful on the few occasions that we had to jump into the car and run that there was no waiting or uncertainty. When circumstances changed we were so happy to go full electric and got used to planning trips with the flexibility in case we can't get a charger for a while.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,613 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Normally fuel savings are a big reason to go EV. If you won't use the EV on weekdays then fuel savings will be minimal and justifying spending 46k on a car is a hard argument. The main downside of EV ownership is having to public charge on longer trips. If you have a Tesla AND are passing a Tesla only supercharger then you are ok, but for longer trips where there is no Tesla charger on the way you are relying on the esb charging network and there is only around 1/3 enough chargers. Personally if there is no cost savings going EV I would keep old car, or buy a cheaper used petrol or diesel car. The hassle on trips to say northern Ireland, is not worth it in my opinion if you have a company van for commute.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Re your work car, have you received your first salary post new BIK rules? It’s going to make a lot of people question the viability.

    I think everyone will at least need to consider EV when changing cars. It’s certainly part of the equation as range improves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Thanks, budget is 45k mark.

    Thanks. We're lucky I suppose that we will have the company vehicle in case of emergency. Also have family living 100 meters up the road so loads of options. Any time we had emergencies it was an ambulance straight to Crumlin anyway and I would follow behind, so In that event I would take the other vehicle. Glad your Ev is working out for you.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    For me anyway I wouldn't be buying for fuel savings, just thinking of buying new and feel electric is the way to go. We have PV installed too so lots of free mileage in the summer. I think we do about 15k km a year so you're correct savings wouldn't justify buying it, but I feel we should get a decent amount for the lexus at the moment and with grants available now might be the right time to change.

    I haven't been paid yet but yes should be interesting.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    If that’s the case then RWD will be more than enough.

    There’s loads of options alright, Kia eNiro, Ioniq 5, MG5, MG ZS etc

    Advice would be to drive as many as possible.

    The Tesla will be the most tech advanced and the fastest and the most efficient but some people don’t like Tesla, the minimal interior etc so that’s were the individual choice comes in.

    Exciting times getting a new car, even more so when transitioning to EV as it’s such a leap forward and I say that as a petrol head through and through.

    They don’t replace ICE, they are an alternative. But they probably will replace ICE for the next generation



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭allinthehead



    Thanks, yes will be my first new car so pretty excited about it. I'm off work next Friday so the aim is to drive as many as time allows. My favorite in terms of looks is the Megane, It's a shame we only get the small screen here though. The cruise control and lane assist is supposed to be great on them too. I have heard it's quite a bit smaller than it looks however.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,587 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Yup, pretty small boot if that matters to you. With kids or pets that might be a deal breaker.

    Same for the MG4 - nice car but a comically small boot!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,062 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Honestly, once you drive the Tesla Model 3, everything else will pale into insignificance.

    It’ll be faster that everything else, more efficient than everything else and will charge faster (and also on its exclusive network) than most everything else remotely in the same price bracket as it.

    The infotainment system is light years ahead of anything else that’s out there… YouTube, Netflix, Disney+, games etc… (Kids LOVE it… fart noises ffs!!!)).

    Tesla’s are also some of the safest cars on the roads (Euro NCAP)


    Regarding the trips up from Cork to Dublin, you are extremely well covered and would have so many options…. the simplest option would be stop in Ballacolla on the way up and top up to about 90-95% (8 stall Tesla Supercharger and chance of queuing would be extremely low). From there it’s a 212km round trip up to Crumlin & back, and even in the depths of winter a 2023 RWD will easily cover that with buckets of range to spare…. Then on the return to Cork, you simply top up enough again in Ballacolla to get home.

    if you wanted you could also probably do the trip with 1 charging stop at Ionity Kill either northbound on the way up or southbound on the way back home.. (or even to J14/Mayfield a little further down the M7), the only issue with these sites is they are open to all, and Ionity only have 4 stalls per side of the N7… so queuing would be likely…

    Either way I wouldn’t even consider looking for a charge in Dublin (unless the Applegreen in Ballymount/M50 gets its 6 units returned and turned on) as it’s just too much of a sh1tshow..

    The beauty about charging in a Tesla though is you have the excellent infotainment system to keep you occupied though in fairness you have little time to watch stuff as they charge so fast anyway!!


    since the price drop on Friday it shouldn’t even be up for debate!!! The only issue now is how long before you can collect as I’d imagine orders have been nuts the last 3 days!!!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I would echo what Andy says, but to throw a spanner in he works, the Model Y is only 2k extra. It is a hatch, taller and roomier than the Model 3. Range is about 10% less, but that wouldn't make much difference at all. Could be a better option for your situation, as I find the leg room for anyone sitting behind me in the M3 is not great.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,821 ✭✭✭Alkers


    I have off street parking with untethered type 2 charging 2min walk from Crumlin hospital, which is unoccupied during working hours. If anyone is visiting the hospital in crumlin, they are welcome to use the parking free of charge and use the charger if they cover electricity costs.

    Pm for details



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,467 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Buy a 5 year old Diesel or Peteol. Save 25 or 30k, book a nice holiday for the family for the next 5 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,057 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    With a budget of €44k, you are not far off a Tesla Model Y at €46,500 on the road. It's a more practical car than the Model 3 as it is considerably bigger and has a hatchback, so more practical. Because of its more popular form factor, it will likely have less depreciation than a Model 3 and thus a lower total cost of ownership.

    I echo what the others said, if you are stopping on your trip from Cork to Dublin anyway on both legs, you might as well get the shorter range Tesla. Tesla because of the supercharger network which really will save a lot of stress in your situation, and of course because since the big price drop 2 days ago, they are now really far better value than any of the competition. Also the short range Teslas have LiFePO4 batteries too, which you know last a long time and are safe. Also the Tesla Model Y was the safest car ever tested by Euro NCAP last year. And short range is relative, the Model Y RWD has a WLTP range of 440km



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,012 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'll try your sales pitch with the wife and see how it goes, the conversation this weekend has been something epic 😂


    Saturday

    Wife: Okay, I'm going to save up and buy a new EV in a few years

    Me: Cool

    Wife: I reckon I should have around 30k to spend

    Me: That might buy much if today's prices hold

    Wife: The Zoe is nice

    Me: Yeah but it's a bit old and charges slowly


    Sunday morning

    Wife: I'm going to buy a Tesla

    Me: Cool

    Wife: Loads of people in work have Teslas and they look successful, so I should be able to get one too

    Me: Makes sense


    Sunday afternoon

    Wife: What's the Tesla you see everywhere

    Me: Model 3

    Wife: Is there a smaller one, that one is too big, I won't be able to park it

    Me: No, they're supposed to be making a hatchback but nobody knows when it'll come out

    Wife: Ugh, why is the front of it (Model 3) so long? It's wasted space

    Me: There's a boot under there, it's called the frunk

    Wife: Why?

    Me: It's handy for storing the charging cables

    Wife: That's dumb why don't they just give you a bigger boot?

    Me: It's for aerodynamics

    Wife: Yeah well I won't be able to park it


    I'm seriously wondering what she's going to come up with next, she'll probably decide to get a Twizy before the end of the week 🤣

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭Abel Magwitch


    Before going with any car the most important thing is to make sure you have it before the 1st July

    The €5k grant is being reduced then. Nobody knows by how much. What you do know is the greens don’t think most houses need to own a car and they will put pressure to bring it to €0. Whether it only comes down €1k, €2.5k or €5k (or not at all) can have a serious impact on your decision

    Salesmen will tell you what will sell the car but dyor.

    Ireland is rhd cars and there are not many countries with that. Any manufacturer that has a surplus will have the majority in lhd cars

    Something to consider

    Edit: This is what pushed me to pull the trigger myself



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,057 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @the_amazing_raisin - a Tesla Model 3 is too big to park? It's tiny 😂

    Don't let her get a Zoe. Euro NCAP score just 1 which is pathetic.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    OP said they wanted a new car not a clapped out five year old oil burner with all the potential problems around the corner like flywheels, injectors, DPF, AdBlue pumps not including standard maintenance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,012 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah she struggles to park the Leaf, I'm terrified to see what she'd do with a Model 3 🤣

    Hopefully Elon will have sorted out the auto parking by the time she's saved for one

    I think I've managed to shoot down the Zoe but I'll definitely mention the NCAP score, that should be the final nail in the coffin

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,057 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    And EGR? If it's a BMW, it will go on fire 😂 If you're unlucky, that will happen just after you've paid several grand for the timing chain to be fixed 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,467 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    5 year old Petrol Toyota Corolla works out around 18-19K.

    Not many major issues in a car of that age, depending on mileage, is more environmentally friendly than buying a brand new electric and would (based on what I can see) manage perfectly well for all trips and requirements the OP has.



    Apologies OP, your heart seems set on a brand new electric. I just think we are nowhere near having the required infrastructure for reliable electric car charging, nor do we have the expertise required to fix these cars when things go wrong in them (granted with a new car at least there is a level of warranty) and they are, in general overprices (like most cars in this country).



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,057 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @kippy - "5 year old Petrol Toyota Corolla works out around 18-19K."

    That's insanely expensive. You can buy a second hand Leaf 40kWh or Ioniq 28kWh fully electric, younger and for less money. And save yourself thousands per year on total cost of ownership

    The depreciation alone on that Corolla will be at least double that of these two EVs over the next few years



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,467 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    So a couple of things.

    I didn't put in a 2018 electric there as you wouldn't get a 2018 electric that would fulfil the OP's important trips to Dublin in one go and I've not seen a huge amount of Ioniqs (if any for sale in that price bracket). Cheapest Leaf I can see in that year is about 19500 and thats with 175K KM (The corolla for reference had about 70K KM)



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,057 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yes agreed that Ioniq 28kWh or Leaf 40kWh are unsuitable for the OP, just mentioned them as a car like that 5 year old Corolla for €19k is way overpriced for what it is. It could well be that it would have higher total cost of ownership than a brand new €46k Tesla Model Y, if there is no financing involved. And presuming the grant will go per 1st July, making for a very low depreciation car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭kirving


    As a note to agree on this, I did the maths with my brother who bought a €33k Nissan Leaf SVE, and over three years, the total cost of ownership will be the same as an already overpriced €22k second-hand petrol - and that was against Nissan's poor GMFV. It should hopefully turn out better than that in fact. Fuel, Tax, NCT, Insurance, Maintenance add up quickly over three years.

    I'm no Tesla fan (primarily because of their cavalier attitude towards testing and marketing of ADAS features, and their blinding headlights), but for the OP a 3 or Y would seem like a good choice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Thanks to everyone for the responses here, I've booked a test drive in the model Y in Cork for Friday and will call to Renault, Hyundai and Kia on the way home. Unfortunately I couldn't book the Model 3 in Cork for some reason. Maybe they have one there and I'll at least get a look at it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    I see you talked about parking, the next crop of Tesla's won't have ultrasonic sensors on them so if you wanted them you'd be better off getting a second hand one. Would have to be a Model 3 though as the SR Model Y isn't out yet. There are plenty on Donedeal in your price bracket and some quite new. One good thing with the older cars is they all have the same User interface as a new one which is different from other manufacturers and means they don't seem out of date if you know what I mean.



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