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cnocbui · 12-01-2023 02:23AM

I came across this which explains why tanks are so sought after by Ukraine:

Will Ukraine be able to return the occupied territories without tanks and armored vehicles of the allies: what do the West think about it.

Western politicians believe that Ukraine will not be able to de-occupy a significant part of the territory without increased military assistance, which will include the transfer of tanks and armored vehicles.

This was said by an unnamed Western official, writes The Guardian.

"The Ukrainians will not be able to retake a significant part of the territory without changes in their defensive position from last year. The balance of power between Russians and Ukrainians is too finely balanced. We need to break the deadlock, especially if they (Ukrainians - ed.) want to retake the territory and go on the offensive " Main battle tanks and armored personnel carriers (armored personnel carriers - ed.) are part of this mixture.", - he believes.

Politics of Ukraine

Wolf359f · 12-01-2023 02:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120096944#Comment_120096944

No different than when Russia spend months and months and seem close to taking a little town or village. The way it's being portrayed, you swear it's the fall of Kyiv or something.

But on the next level disinformation, remember Russia will be pumping out the propaganda that the Russian army took it and not Wagner, so they may be jumping the gun a little to make sure the home audience know who took it (if/when that happens)

Dufflecoat Fanny · 12-01-2023 04:22AM

just watched a video of a Russian killing 2 Ukrainians in a foxhole in a wood. Massive firefight it looked like they were outflanked. Ukrainians panicked and didn't surrender quick enough and the Russian with headcam shot them. gruesome and released by Russians obviously. Can't be sure on the date but I reckon it's very recent

RoyalCelt · 12-01-2023 06:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097123#Comment_120097123

It's suspected that video was a regular Russian soldier who shot 2 mobilised Russians posing as Ukrainians. Look at the state of them probably straight from a Russian prison and they say we're with you guys as they look with confusion. Lately these Wagner mobiks have been wearing more Ukrainian outfit's to try and cause confusion.

I hope I'm wrong but Soledar isn't looking good. Too many Russian video's of them walking around casually for it not to have fallen. Ukraine letting on they still hold but I doubt it. It's a bit worrying how it fell so quickly. A real blitz and the first Russian victory in a long time. Whatever their strategy was you can be sure they'll try and repeat it again.

Manic Moran · 12-01-2023 06:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120096998#Comment_120096998

It depends on how good the crews are. HIMARS is pretty damned simple to use, really. Tanking is a tad more complicated.

All things being equal, yes, the Western tanks are a generation ahead of the typical Russian tank, but that's assuming crews who know how to get the best out of them, and a sustainment structure (Bridges, recovery, maintenance) able to properly enable them.

xxxxxxl · 12-01-2023 06:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097152#Comment_120097152

I was going to add that to my explanation of western Tanking. You need a good crew and they need to know the kit inside and out. Same with the maintenance. Challengers were to bait in other I pretty sure of that. There a great tank but 10 will make very little difference in the grand scheme. russia normally uses what 40 tanks for a brigade. Shure challengers will kill stuff very effectively but limited numbers and resupply and maintenance means what 6 available at a time if its 10. They could introduce a fear factor but drunk russian probably fear nothing.

Gatling · 12-01-2023 08:40AM

Germany blocking the tanks untill the Americans commit to sending Abrams to Ukraine,

Poland and the other countries should tell the Germans FU and send the tanks .

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1613433461498331137?s=20&t=JARaeIhreTXB49yPHwH-jQ

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1613433464375873536?s=20&t=JARaeIhreTXB49yPHwH-jQ

Gatling · 12-01-2023 08:58AM

Senior kadirov commander captured alive by Ukrainian forces in bakhmut over the last 48 hours ..

https://twitter.com/Azovsouth/status/1613297738493624320?s=20&t=JARaeIhreTXB49yPHwH-jQ

Francie Barrett · 12-01-2023 09:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120096920#Comment_120096920

Wum

Gatling · 12-01-2023 09:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097262#Comment_120097262

No surprise there.

The Germans can't be trusted as allies, wonder how they would feel if the Americans pulled their Patriots and other systems out of Germany

Pa ElGrande · 12-01-2023 09:25AM

Private armies being built up (youtube) with a view to a property grab within Russia from Putins cronies.

Russians develop Spider as a detection method (youtube) for soldiers against drones.

Opinion on Ukrainian Defense Lines And What Happens When They Are Breached

Today's Wall Street Journal finally noted that this Ukrainian battle tactic is not a winning one:

Western—and some Ukrainian—officials, soldiers and analysts increasingly worry that Kyiv has allowed itself to be sucked into the battle for Bakhmut on Russian terms, losing the forces it needs for a planned spring offensive as it stubbornly clings to a town of limited strategic relevance. Some of them say that it would make sense to retreat to a new defensive line on the heights west of Bakhmut while such a pullback can still be organized in a coordinated fashion, preserving the Ukrainian military’s combat strength.

“It’s not me, it’s King Leonidas who figured out that you should fight the enemy on the terrain that is advantageous to you,” said one Ukrainian commander in Bakhmut, referring to the ruler of Sparta who battled the Persian Empire at Thermopylae. “So far, the exchange rate of trading our lives for theirs favors the Russians. If this goes on like this, we could run out.”

Francie Barrett · 12-01-2023 09:25AM

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1613406865987194880?t=T_VeXnwdFW8_9Ab8fKNU6Q&s=19

Ukraine has a presence in the forest just outside of Kreminna. They've been making movements in this area before Christmas. A few days ago a small scale tank battle took place. Looks like things are scaling up there.

The British have said today that Russia are reinforcing the area with paratroopers.

Mar53 · 12-01-2023 09:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120078696#Comment_120078696

Why would the mods on here boot me for? The topic is Russia. I am discussing Russia. I don't understand...The topic is not "only anti-Russia discussion and nothing else"...You are threatening to try and get mods to ban me because I wrote some things you don't agree with or that you don't want to hear about the Russia - Ukraine - USA/West/NATO situation? I'm very confused.

There is so much unveiled, unbridled pro-Ukrainian, and atrocious, sometimes even outright racist, anti-Russian bile. So that's all allowed and OK? But as soon as some one tries to explain things from the other side there are calls to try and have that person banned, not to mention all sorts of slander and name-calling and intimidation and scare-mongering towards them? How is that OK or just?

My initial post was not utter non-sense. That's you just making up stuff and projecting your incorrect opinions onto me as if they're the truth just because you said so. I indeed just happened to come across this site and I didn't even know it was Irish (I never even knew what the Irish website domain was, if anything, I would have maybe guessed .ir, not .ie.). Also, what's that have to do with anything? Because the website has an Irish domain, does that mean only people from Ireland are allowed to access this site? Of course not. Furthermore, what does it matter how I came across this website? None of that is relevant. You and some others unfortunately seem to want to just try to find anything to attack me on.

Rather than just stick to the thread's topic, "Russia", you and many others here want to personally attack me, make up lies and false accusations about me, use all sorts of slander against me, and on top of all that, use all sorts of attempts of intimidation and scare-tactics against me. Is that how another human being should be treated just because they are stating things that others may not agree with or that doesn't suit another's viewpoint and/or agenda? Of course not.

We should all be civil here with one-another and discuss the actual topic of the thread which is "Russia".

Gatling · 12-01-2023 09:47AM

The Russian republic of Ingushetia , declares it's independence from Russia hopefully others follow

https://twitter.com/OzymandiusUK/status/1613170057063931904?s=20&t=_9MvJTchfJUbr_i-EwrEjQ

Vicxas · 12-01-2023 09:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097318#Comment_120097318

Just a small part of Russia, but hopefully the trickle becomes a flood

Mar53 · 12-01-2023 09:56AM

I personally don't think the Soledar situation is misinfo. Yes, there's been misinfo from all sides, and unfortunately that will always happen in wars and in the media in general, so maybe the numbers were over-reported and/or under-reported but there are tons of videos showing Russian forces all over Soledar including in the salt mines were many Ukrainian forces who apparently weren't able to retreat had to flee into. Soledar has extensive salt mines / tunnels. 10s of km full, possibly into the 100s of kms if I remember correctly.

Gatling · 12-01-2023 10:11AM

according to unnamed sources Ukraine shouldn't defend themselves against Russian advances , instead save troops for the next counter offensive.

If that was the case why not just surrender the country....

Unnamed sources

Jinglejangle69 · 12-01-2023 10:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097370#Comment_120097370

Ive been seeing various items that the Ukrainian army is severely depleted.

Really time for big decisions to be made.

Is this war sustainable with the weapons it’s receiving?

Either give them what they need or the tide could quickly turn in Russias favour.

Gregor Samsa · 12-01-2023 10:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097318#Comment_120097318

That’s not the government of Ingushetia declaring independence. It’s an opposition group in exile who held a press conference: “Congress of Supporters of the Independence of Ingushetia” in Istanbul. It means nothing.

timmyntc · 12-01-2023 10:32AM

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1613460571029897216?cxt=HHwWgICwtej1lOQsAAAA

Looking like Soledar is as good as gone. Question now is where the next defensive line is staged

12-01-2023 10:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097378#Comment_120097378

"Ive been seeing various items that the Ukrainian army is severely depleted."

Depends on who you listen to.

Whether these "strategically important" little known towns fall to the invaders is not huge as it pertains to the ultimate Ukrainian victory. It DOES seem important within the Russian political dynamic, and who will ultimately become king Orc (Sauron).

Jinglejangle69 · 12-01-2023 10:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097463#Comment_120097463

I want nothing more than a Ukrainian victory but for all the talk of Russians freezing in bunkers and Ukraine receiving top of the range gear from NATO, they are been beaten back while suffering huge losses.

Whats the plan now?

They aren’t getting what they need and at some stage it’s going to become unsustainable.

Ardent · 12-01-2023 11:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097442#Comment_120097442

The latest video from Reporting from Ukraine suggests fortifications along the high ground roughly west of Soledar.

Despite modern technology, geography seems to play an important role in this war.

Retr0gamer · 12-01-2023 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097530#Comment_120097530

What you are seeing in Soledar is the peak of what Russia can do. A wave of bodies in the meat grinder to gain some ground which looks like a temporary gain considering reports from the likes of CNN and ukraine rather than the Russian propaganda machine. Hopefully in spring we will see Ukraine make gains elsewhere when they conduct assaults.

Jinglejangle69 · 12-01-2023 11:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097655#Comment_120097655

What it looks like is Russia is mobilising more canon fodder. And Ukraine can’t match this with numbers.

The territory Russia stole seems lost for now as Ukraine get beaten back.

All the while Putin can terrorise Ukraine for years from the Black Sea unchallenged.

The west and NATO have a tough decision to make.

Give them what they need or else put boots on the ground.

Gatling · 12-01-2023 11:34AM

Julian from Twitter seems to be a dick

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1565377879906684931?s=20&t=l3iKfK3fw66b3Zl2KH3ULw

Gatling · 12-01-2023 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097678#Comment_120097678

Ukraine can match the Russians numbers and likely exceed them with motivated and trained soldiers vs Russian forcibly conscripted who are sent to the front with little or no training and proper equipment and weapons.

Remember ukraine cancelled a winter mobilisation because they were already at the numbers required and were actively turning people away from recruitment centers.

If Zelensky announced tomorrow they were looking for a Million people to sign up chances are they would reach that figure in a few weeks

swiwi_ · 12-01-2023 11:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097223#Comment_120097223

You guys are clueless. International relations don’t work by telling your neighbours to FU.

Dohnjoe · 12-01-2023 11:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097678#Comment_120097678

Boots on the ground unfortunately is WW3, it's not an option.

timmyntc · 12-01-2023 11:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097734#Comment_120097734

Plenty of videos recently of Ukrainians getting subpoenas from the military handed out in cities and towns, not clear if its an ongoing thing or a new wave of mobilisation has begun,

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