Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

bullit_dodger · 29-12-2022 8:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044747#Comment_120044747

Yeah, get that Hotswap and it makes sense to be compliant. Still I stand by the advice to people coming here to the forums to make up your mind about a battery and not spent €700+ just to keep your options open. Your either going to know that your getting a battery or not. If you know your going to get one and haven't the money at install time, sure....makes sense to get a hybrid, but it's illogical to spend money if you can't or haven't done the math if it's correct for you.

Personally even with FIT I think every house should have a 5Kwhr battery if not more, but totally can appreciate that it's not a binary (right/wrong) decision. Least that would be IMHO.

adriant900 · 30-12-2022 6:34pm

Starting out 2023 now, what is the rule of thumb of cost of solar panels per kw, battery per kwh, inverter, diverter?

Thegalwayman · 31-12-2022 6:09pm

Can only fit 3.8-4.2kW ish system due to space constraints on the worthwhile roof orientations. Currently rural 24hr meter and contemplating whether to ask for day/night meter which may only last a few months prior to a smart meter rollout. Getting A2W system fitted in a couple of months and considering EV as 2nd household car. That age old question. Battery or no? and what’s the current pricing on this?

jkforde · 01-01-2023 1:56am

read recent comments above, they make no sense economically but being able to power the house baseload+ using night rate +/- surplus is great imho (esp. if on DN meter and not smart metering)

The devils · 02-01-2023 8:13pm

Happy New Year guys.

Like most people here busy lives etc..so apologies for not been involved as much as I should have.

I never got the chance to thank all who helped me out on boards in choosing the correct installation, size and other bits and pieces..it was invaluable TBH.

con747 · 02-01-2023 11:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120057455#Comment_120057455

Wait until March onwards when you see the rewards!

molloyjh · 03-01-2023 5:26pm

Got confirmation that our install (by a certain crowd in Enniskillen) is going ahead tomorrow as scheduled back in August. No messing about at all. I half expected it to be pushed but they said they’d be here on the 4th and they will. Will be interesting to see how many panels we can get on. Quoted for 17 but we may not get that many in (or may get more). This forum has been a great help so thanks all!

The devils · 03-01-2023 6:29pm

Great guys and nice install 👍 you'll be v happy

IrishHusk · 03-01-2023 7:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120060763#Comment_120060763

They did my install back in November. Install crew are good and efficient but the communication post install has been very poor. From trying to get a picture of panel specs for BER assessor to getting an update on when I will get a battery has proven to be next to impossible. Since install I am seeing intermittent nuisance RCD tripping in the mornings which they have not contacted me about yet. Luckily I have still only paid them the deposit.

The devils · 03-01-2023 7:58pm

Have you looked onto the seai website, all my pics of install where on that site..however it take some time

Sorry to hear that about tipping issues ..

micks_address · 03-01-2023 8:06pm

Company I used took a while to get grant paperwork in order and the ber assessment company they use gave me an appointment start of Feb so my grant will be at least another 1.5 months away

tenebrous · 08-01-2023 7:29pm

Hi all, was looking to get solar with on of the one stop shops. The quote I received seems way too high to me.

6.0 kWp with only PV: e13,500

4.0 kWp PV with 4.8 battery e17,175

4.0 kWp only PV e11,500

All prices do not include the e2,400 grant deduction. My guess is the battery of 4.8kW is e5,675 based on my sums.

The quote was for PV and battery here only, did price other areas but they added on some extra admin prices that pushed my belief they are over costing me. Personal preference would be solar PVT if possible or use a water diverter if nobody provides PVT panels yet. PVT being water cooled panels for efficiency which adds some heated water to the home as byproduct. Going to contact a company in Cork tomorrow to see if I can get a quote for their panels.

Looking to get an EV in the next few months or a year if work holds and may need to replace gas boiler as it's on the fritz hence trying to get a battery. The quote was just their canned response and didn't want to give details of panel types, diverter info, upselling to larger strings, or car charger. My guess is they will outsource to another company for the install.

Would appreciate any advice/recommendations, thank you.

con747 · 08-01-2023 7:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120083107#Comment_120083107

All those prices are way over the top. Look at the installers page https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058243236/solar-pv-boards-members-installer-information#latest One stop shop quotes are always the most expensive. There is little or no difference in the quality or performance of panels and inverters once it's a well known brand.

micks_address · 08-01-2023 8:32pm

Batteries have got expensive.. 9.5kwh givenergy I was quoted 4.5k plus vat last week.. for context I got 7kwp plus 9.5kwh battery installed for 11.5k after grant in November..

PCDub · 08-01-2023 9:51pm

Have been using a small DIY system to power tv and other low power electronics. Also using it to charge a solar generator.

Decided to start looking at getting a proper roof system installed and have got 2 quotes so far. Prices seem very high and not sure its possible to get very much cheaper in 2023.

1st quote

2.4kw 6 panels

5kw huawei inverter

Eddi

No battery

7800e before grant.

2nd quote

2.4kw 6 panels

6kw solis inverter

No battery or diverter

6850e before grant

I can buy a similar kit and install myself but I've heard it's difficult to impossible to get a reci to do final connection and sign off.

All advise recommendations welcome.

The devils · 08-01-2023 10:26pm

You can me to that's please 🙂 Enniskillen lads

HotSwap · 09-01-2023 10:06am

The only thing you need is an electrician to sign your NC6 form to confirm that your inverted will be configured correctly for the Irish grid (this didn’t used to be the case, but it changed in the latest version). They don’t have to have to be registered with SEAI so any qualified electrician will do

And then you need an electrician to add a new circuit to your consumer unit for the inverter and give you a very if you want to stay fully compliant.

If you do this you will be registered and eligible for fees in tariffs; however you won’t get a grant as you need someone who is both a qualified electrician / has done 2 training courses and is registered with SEAI to do the install and submit the paperwork to SEAI.

I did a DIY job; if you want some other advice on this route maybe we can DM or chat in some other thread. Those quotes are very high. I found any quotes that I got from those one stop shops are at least 20-30 % higher than getting the job done directly with a contractor.

Orebro · 09-01-2023 10:50am

Whats the difference between a one stop shop and a contractor? Aren't all solar providers one stop shops?

HotSwap · 09-01-2023 10:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120084871#Comment_120084871

One stop shops are providing multiple retrofit services such as insulation, windows / doors, solar, heat pumps and packaging them all together and project managing the whole thing. Some additional grants are available if taking this route; but they very quickly get eaten up.

when I say contractor I just mean an individual company offering a specific service such as solar / insulation / etc… that you would approach directly as a customer.

Quin_Dub · 09-01-2023 1:57pm

Got this quote today.

Based on the thread , looks like it's pretty reasonable.

System size: 6KW - PV Panels – Leapton 400w by 15 - All black Panels.

Panel Mounting – Renusol

Inverter - Solis single phase 5G inverter.

Total cost: €9,800 including VAT.

SEAI Grant - €2,400

Price after grant - €7,400

Optional Hot water – €700 for Eddi Divertor

Optional Battery – Add €3,500 for 5.1 CFE

jkforde · 09-01-2023 2:56pm

I personally love the hot water diverter esp. when the oil boiler is off for 7-8mths. looks decent quote, just make sure you trust them and they're going to be available for snags, after commission clarifications!

Quin_Dub · 09-01-2023 3:29pm

Not sure on the Eddi to be honest in our particular case.

We don't typically use that much hot water as our Showers are all electric and changing them to pumped would negate the benefits of the Eddi I think.

We very rarely turn on the immersion as it is so don't think it's worth it for me.

I'm also not sure about a battery now that excess generation can be sold.

Would I really save €3.5k in additional electricity charges over the next 10 years say compared to whatever I might get paid for the excess generation?

p15574 · 09-01-2023 6:32pm

Any opinions on this quote? Seems high to me, especially looking at some of the quotes on here, but I don't know much about it. The Eddi was quoted at 1379 but they agreed to throw it in for free. This is excluding the grant. Apparently it's upgradeable to a battery but I see that's not such a big deal any more. I plan to get another quote elsewhere.

Install 10 No. 410W Jinko Solar Panels (4.10 kWp) 7,039

Sofar 4000 inverter 4,069

Solar Eddi Diverter nil

BER assessment 389

Supply and fit 2 panels in landscape layout 158

TAX 13.5% 1,391.04

TOTAL 11,695

If it helps, my annual usage last year was about 5000 Kwh. Re the Eddi, I have one electric shower but also two pumped showers from the hot water tank.

jkforde · 09-01-2023 6:41pm

@p15574 - that's expensive, plain as that. each panel is 700?

HotSwap · 09-01-2023 7:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086931#Comment_120086931

Just to give you an idea of the markup they are charging; an Eddi costs 499 including VAT; and it’s a 30 minute job to screw it to the wall and terminate the cable.

The Sofar 4000 hybrid costs about 1300 also including vat.

jinko 415 n type panels are about 200 each including the vat. Dunno if your getting quoted for a n-type or not.

mounting - cables - switches - misc say 1000 euro.

ballpark 4800 for the gear. I think you can do much better

HotSwap · 09-01-2023 8:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086233#Comment_120086233

120 is the number of days you can fully charge from off peak / discharge during the in peak daytime.

41 is peak rate cent per kwh

13 is off peak cent per kwh

10 is the capacity of the battery in kWH

this gives 3480 over 10 years, and that’s only taking the charging at night in the winter use case into account.

ColemanY2K · 10-01-2023 7:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120086931#Comment_120086931

As an American general once said in response to a German demand to surrender, NUTS!

You can do much better looking elsewhere.

footfall789 · 10-01-2023 4:10pm

Hi ,

I have installed Solar Panels.

I have asked the installer for copies of Warranties /Guarantees for Solar Panels , batteries and Inverter.

They have not forwarded these to me as they say they have them on file and no need

to send onto me .

I am just concerned that if the installer goes bust and i get an issue down the line

Am I correct is asking for a copy of these Warranties /Guarantees .

Regards,

footfall789

Quin_Dub · 10-01-2023 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120087302#Comment_120087302

Thanks - Not sure I fully understand the calculation you have but if I'm reading it right what I'd have it the following.

120 days of charging off-peak and discharging peak , the battery offered above is a 5 kw/h battery so that would mean using your pricing a net difference of 28c (41-13) which is €1.40 per day in savings which is €1680 over 10 years - ((€1.40 * 120)*10).

Given that Electric Ireland for example are offering 21c per unit for excess generation there's limited additional value in charging the battery from Solar excess rather than off-peak.

So on that basis at current prices it's more like a 20 year ROI for a 5KW/h battery.

Totally understand that there are a lot more days that I could charge the battery overnight and use during the peak evening times when I wouldn't be generating Solar energy.

Even allowing for fully using the battery every day of the year leveraging off peak charging , it's still ~7 years ROI for a 5Kw/h battery and that's assuming that the day/night rate differential is as above.

Currently I have a Day/Night meter and my rates are 42c Day and 21c night so a far smaller difference.

Borrowing an additional €3500 would cost me another ~€600 in interest (at 6%) over 5 years so that pushes the ROI still further.

So while I'd eventually save money I don't think the ROI makes sense for me right now.

tenebrous · 10-01-2023 4:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090685#Comment_120090685

Absolutely, If you get a gas boiler installed or a service of your electrical panel they give you their certs usually if not the equipment warranty info. I would imagine this is the same unless they don't have them anymore, I thank you for reminding me as this is something I think I will ask for when the installation is being done for me.

bullit_dodger · 10-01-2023 5:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090842#Comment_120090842

It's nice to see that people actually do the math. Respect.

Couple of things to note that you haven't included in your thinking. Right now (and probably for the next 12 months or so) you on a D/N meter will get "deemed export" irrespective of if you export 1Kwhr or 1000Kwhr you will get the same thing.....meaning that you might as well fill your battery with solar excess RATHER than export it as you will paid for the export irrespective. Effectively you get paid twice for the same unit. Long may this last! :-)

(I wouldn't bank on it, but it's worth mentioning anyway)

Price per Kwhr is better with a larger battery. Additional inverter cost from "normal" to "hybrid" is the same if you get a 2.5Kwhr batter or 10Kwhr battery, so assuming you can "cycle" the battery everyday, your payback with a larger battery will be quicker.

While I would generally recommend getting a battery (even if the payback is iffy)......I also wouldn't borrow for a battery.

creedp · 10-01-2023 7:07pm

I've finally got around to looking at installing solar and have found this thread very useful. I used over 11,000 kw last year as I have a GSHP and EV. An installer was looking at a neighbours house so I called him over to have a look at my set up. At the time I hadnt read up on the topic so I let him give me his view on what might suit. He said I could easily get a 6kwp set up and recommended that I get a 4.8kwh battery. He suggested I not get an eddie diverter as I have a heat pump.

I asked him to give me a written quote and I've just got it today but its for a 4.2kwp system with Tiger Neo N-Type panels (400 -420 watt), an unspecified Dyness battery (which I assume is a 5 kwh) and a SOFAR SOLAR inverter (which I assume is a 5kw). Price is just over €9,600 net. Seems reasonable enough but i have asked for a detailed breakdown of quote to assess further.

I have a couple of quick questions in the meantime. I am installing the inverter and batteries in the house attic but i already have a myenergie ev charger located in a separate garage. I didn't install an eddie when installing the charger as I had no solar at the time. Is it now worthwhile installing an eddie to allow the charger soak up excess solar during the day? Will it be a problem that the EV charger is located in a different building to the inverter as I understand an ethernet connection is required between the eddie and the charger. Currently there is no ethernet connection in the garage. Also the charger is not connected directly to the main distribution board but instead is connected to a sub board located in the garage (which is linked to the main board by a 6mm sq cable). I dont know if this makes any difference as electricity is a complete mystery to me!!

Ill come back as soon as I get more details of quote. Cheers

HotSwap · 10-01-2023 7:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090842#Comment_120090842

You also have to take into account in summer the units that you wouldn’t have exported during the day; and instead stored for later use (a lot of time you get great sun for an hour or two; then the clouds come out and you can run off the battery; then the sun comes back and you can run the house and fill the battery again) In the summer months with a 10kWh battery and your level of usage (about 13-15kwh per day) there is no reason why you couldn’t be totally off grid March - Sept.

but this is a more complicated calculation; but I’d say with only 5kWh battery you would struggle to make it work. I have 10kWh and may add an additional module to give me 15kwh once I’ve seen a full year of data. But I can only fill my battery at 5kWh; which means it already takes 2 full hours to fill the 10kWh that I already have, adding another 5kWh would mean I’d not be getting the cheapest rate to fully fill it which is a shame. Most battery’s charge from the grid slower than this; so it’s worth asking what this rate is for the battery they are supplying. Also ask about expansion in the future; is it possible / easy.

you also can’t be sure about the 21 cent feed in rates; this is sure to change over time too. My perspective on a battery is really that you are giving yourself the greatest level of control and autonomy over the energy providers.

jkforde · 10-01-2023 9:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120091425#Comment_120091425

so you're using the MyEnergi Zappi as a dumb charger at the moment?

my advice would be to check with this potential installer that they have recent MyEnergi installation experience (latest Eddi has a built-in wifi\ethernet, no separate Hub<>router connectivity) and if they do, to get them to explain to your 100% piece of mind that you know how the system works. but not sure how you'd link up the existing Zappi if out in a separate (I presume) brick garage, maube a strong wifi mesh?

TOMs WIFE · 10-01-2023 11:07pm

Got a quote (prior to survey) from a company linked to Electric Ireland (i.e. I clicked on an "I'm interested in Solar etc." ad.

They rang me recently - :

7 panels with hot water - 7600 minus 1980 grant = €5,632

OR

7 panels with 5kw battery €14300 minus 1980 grant = €12320

Not interested in any battery at that cost, and have a small house. Appreciate view please. Thanks.

HotSwap · 11-01-2023 7:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120092407#Comment_120092407

Just to give you an idea; I have the price list from this supplier from June 2021 and the same setup cost 5900 - 1800 grant = 4100 cost to you.

so it’s gone up 1500 in the space of 18 months with this installer.

back in June 2021 from the same supplier for 5400 you could of got a 14 panel system. Or for 6000 you could have got 14 panels with the eddi. These prices include the grant.

crisco10 · 11-01-2023 9:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120092407#Comment_120092407

Think you can do better to be honest. All going to plan, I'll be getting 12 panels with 5kW battery installed this month, for about 9.5k after grant.

Wobs · 11-01-2023 9:55am

Hi,

Just starting to look at solar and would appreciate any thoughts on the following.

16 x 400w Recom Panels

Solis 6kg 4g inverter

Big long list of all the other bits required, cables, mounts etc.

€11,157

Not recommending a Battery or Eddi as we have a GSHP and will have an EV which will be able to charge during the day.

Thanks!

micks_address · 11-01-2023 10:01am

Is that figure including the seai grant?

Wobs · 11-01-2023 1:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093229#Comment_120093229

That is before the grant so it would be €8757 after.

__Alex · 11-01-2023 1:46pm

Good afternoon,

I recently installed a Zappi Charger and Harvi sensor for my EV, and I'm now looking at solar panels.

I got the following quote from the company who installed the Zappi.

Do you think I should go for it?

Thanks!

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Pack 1:

• 10 x 400w panels

• Hybrid inverter

• 5kwh battery storage

• My Energi hot water diverter

• Roof mounting equipment

• All labour works

• All electrical testing and commissioning

• Online monitoring to see each day exactly what your system is producing

The total cost of the above system will equate to €13,500.

Pack 2:

• 10 x 400w panels

• PV inverter

• My Energi hot water diverter

• Roof mounting equipment

• All labour works

• All electrical testing and commissioning

• Online monitoring to see each day exactly what your system is producing

The total cost of the above system will equate to €9,500.

The two systems will qualify for a €2,400 SEAI Grant.

Please note that this system and quote is pending a site survey.

If you wish I can book you in for a site survey. Please note that there is a €150 charge for a Solar Panel Survey - this €150 is redeemable off of the price of the system that you go for.

----

Thanks!

con747 · 11-01-2023 1:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094033#Comment_120094033

Try haggle a bit, it's not a bad quote though. Near enough to the guidelines.

olympicweights · 11-01-2023 2:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094226#Comment_120094226

Probably €2.5k overpriced.

__Alex · 11-01-2023 3:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094507#Comment_120094507

Thanks, that helps!

Also, they didn't say which model/brand of solar panels / batteries they will install. They said "The panels themselves vary as to what is in stock at the time", which worries me a bit!

olympicweights · 11-01-2023 3:58pm

A lot of installers will arrive with a different size panel due to availability. My own install was quoted as 345w panels but they had 395w panels when they arrived so they just recalculated the number required to my advantage.

HotSwap · 11-01-2023 9:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094910#Comment_120094910

Highly unprofessional. The likes of these wouldn’t be getting anywhere near my house. How can a consumer make an informed purchasing decision if you’re not even aware of the specifics of the equipment that’s gonna be installed. Different panels have different sizes / warranties / degradation characteristics / etc…

are the installers even designing / modelling these systems based on customer need / usage / available space; sounds like they are just making it up as they arrive on site; really they should not be getting the grant if they are not properly designing the systems.

DC999 · 11-01-2023 10:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094688#Comment_120094688

Mine rocked up with lower output panels. So do check and take a photo of the details on the back of them (make, model, output...). They said it was all they got but weren't going to mention until I caught it. Then they added panels at no cost to get to same overall output.

HotSwap · 11-01-2023 10:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120096420#Comment_120096420

Totally unacceptable. If they are SEAI registered I would advise you inform the SEAI of this potentially fraudulent behaviour to protect other potential customers that are not as clued in as you were.

con747 · 11-01-2023 10:26pm

Just try to remember there is a major supply issue at the moment so a lot of installers are waiting on shipments to arrive either from a wholesaler here or further afield like the UK and China so are limited to what's available in some cases. It's not ideal but once you get the same sized system you paid a deposit for that's what counts at the end of the day for me. Others would have a different view though.

micks_address · 11-01-2023 10:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120096420#Comment_120096420

Mine also arrived with lower output panels but to be fair they told me up front and I ended up with .5kwp extra due to the way the numbers fell

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