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Running a brothel in West End Village?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,393 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ruhama, an organisation established by nuns are behind the current law here.

    The article is a waste of time but the comments are definitely worth a read:


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,822 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    Strange how an order of nuns who ran homes where children were stolen and killed, women abused and left to die and buried in mass grave still remain so influential in modern Irish life, they should be disbanded and stripped of all assets the cowardly cnuts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    That's probably another thing. If there are no drugs involved, no pimps muscling in, no violence and no noise it'll probably go unnoticed. From a legal perspective it's probably hard to prove as well. Old men coming and going, looking nervous isn't going to go anywhere in a court of law....

    Also, if you're single and living there it's also another perspective. But would you tolerate a brothel and drugs and human trafficking as well as pimps if you lived there with your wife and 2 kinds? I doubt that very much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    The thing that often surprises me are the number of people using them is it that difficult for guys to find a woman in this day and age .Sometimes when one is busted the money being brought in is huge really .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    You would think so, but it certainly does not eliminate the threat of human trafficking. In Gemany the profession is highly regulated but this also throws up an awful lot of fringe activity from non legitimised sex workers.

    For example the much discussed Reeperbahn or St Paulli in Hamburg. The area is great for legitimate workers and clients alike. However there exists a treacherous and seedy fall out. Many Eastern European or African workers who are not yet turned 18 are easily obtainable on the street in nearby unregulated areas. Not just the local parks, but right outside the Poilizei station in St Paulli, you will find literally hundreds of underage workers getting picked up in cars or more commonly taxi's, it is phucking disgusting all said. Underage workers as young as 15/16, no exaggeration here either. These girls (generally girls, there are teenage boys also working in other areas, I am not sure on the legality here, less prevalent than the girls on what I witnessed, but I can only imagine what is available ).

    The reality is that girls in their late teens ( ie , under 18 ) are forbidden from working in regulated regions or brothels, they are not fazed by this and can make seriously good money working illegally. Nasty enough all said. I have always found it obscene that it happens outside the Polizei station, but the reality is that this is their safest option, god only knows what happens down the street?

    I have no issue with anyone working in the industry, or anyone availing of services, what odds all said? But don't be fooled by the transparency of countries such as Germany or the Netherlands, there is some seriously murky stuff going on despite it being generally legitimate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Social media. And womens natural climby preferences. Its a whole thing, the recent change in distribution. I'd only get called an incel if I went into the mechanics of it. But yeah its real from what I can tell.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Social media isn’t to blame for prostitution ffs. They don’t call it the oldest profession for nothing…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Ive heard it called the 2nd oldest, after marketing. Think about it.

    Anyway social media being the cause of prostitution wasn't the contention. Rather its been blamed for the increased number of bachelors.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,521 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    We’’re talking about prostitution here though. The idea it’s only a thing used by bachelors is ridiculous



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I would imagine as many married or partnered men are using/visiting workers as there would be bachelors or men who are happier being single. Many workers are heavily reliant on regular clients who are happy to come back time after time.

    Far easier for a married man and certainly more discreet to pay a worker than to risk his marriage being compromised by a genuine partner who could develop notions about where the relationship is going. He also gets to walk away whenever he likes, not always possible in a genuine affair.

    I would imagine these are the type of cosy relationships that have the buzz killers up in Ruhama seething and screaming. It does not fit well into their agenda, at all. They don't like the fact that the industry is in 99% of all cases a very bonafide, transactional and carried out between consenting adults. It really does not suit their agenda that workers are forced illegal immigrants, possible victims of human traffciking forced to work in deprived areas....the reality is that Ireland is flooded with attractive workers who are more than happy to avail of the high rates they are getting paid whilst not having to adhere to stricter legislative regimes on the continent.

    For example, workers benefit from working under current legislation insofar as they do not have to perform mandatory STD checks when operating in Ireland. This is a handy saving for workers, also contributes to the spread of STD's throughout the country and is indicative of how current legislation is only window dressing championed by a group of disgruntled overly moralized groups of women who have literally no edge or fight in the game, at all? Apart from the now perennial introduction of their latest " victim", who they convince to parade to all and sundry as being the very reason for their existence.

    It is very sad that workers' based in Ireland only legislative group, that is in direct consultation with government, is actually only existing to enable the extinction of their profession? The hypocrisy on display is entirely nauseating as always the victims are workers. Ruhama does nothing to really help workers, it is very dysfunctional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    "The thing that often surprises me are the number of people using them is it that difficult for guys to find a woman"

    Thats referring to men not in relationships, i.e. bachelors.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Fair enough just would have thought with all the apps now hook ups would be easier .I understand some guys lack confidence or maybe the social skills to get someone just the number surprises me a little .



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    In our medium sized market town in Tipperary a father/daughter combo run a small prostitution business.

    They were, in the beginning, into casual money lending, then a desperate young woman who couldn’t keep up to her repayments offered to have sex with the father to pay off her debt.

    He wasn’t interested but it got him thinking.

    Soon he and the daughter were pimping out all the young vulnerable women who owed them money.

    They have nowhere to house these girls so they just directed them to various cars in various car parks.

    The “John” pays the girl, then she gives the money to Tommy, who then takes his cut as the enforcer, and gives the rest to Mary Ellen.

    If you, the victim, make arrangements to meet that man for more “fun” yourself, and you don’t tell Tommy or Mary Ellen, you’ll be in trouble.

    Mary Ellen’s own 14 year old daughter took her own life a number of years ago which would make you wonder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Yeah, culchie's do anything for a ride these days......

    Desperate to see Tipp teenagers struggling for pocket money.

    Very sad indeed.

    Tommy and Mary foooking thing up bigsthyle, giving the game in Tipp an awful name. Those teenage money lending rackets, a scurge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 studefromtrinners


    There was one in a town near me and my friend had an apartment there. I used to call up to him after a few hours fishing on the river right opposite the apartment and we'd both be looking out the window and the shenanigans going on.

    Car's doing loops, guy's standing there obviously looking for the apartment , stopping and starting the car's. It's started to turn into a sitcom in our own warped mindsets. Timing how long it would take the guy to do the business. Then we'd be looking at his walk, shameful or brazen.... Oh he doesn't give a toss, oh he's definitely regretting it. Another guy would have a hop skip and a jump like walk after, another would look like he was contemplating the river.

    We knew a few , but we'd never judge them or think he's this that or another. We were just being chaps having a larf and it was like a few hours at the races. We could drink tea and look out the window.

    The odd couple would pull up too and do the walk to the apartment. In comparison to lone men, the couple would be giggling and laughing back to the car.

    Eventually there was a raid and it was all over the news papers.

    Now and again we'd say remember back in the 00's we'd be watching the craic going on outside.

    Looking back it was just two bored, loveless guys in their late 20's watching the world going by . Camera phones weren't really a thing back then, we swore to each other if we knew anyone pulling up we'd never tell a soul. And sure that was a long time ago now.

    My friend who's very flamboyant, he'd be doing the commentary . Oh look he's about to, definitely married, oh he's a regular. He's definitely going to bail out, look at this lad definitely a school teacher, librarian, a tradesman, accountant....

    Those were funny time's. As we were both not into women we had some laughs. The Celtic tiger was definitely a time for anything went.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Thanks for your post, it was an interesting insight.

    Apart from two illegal brothels at Westend Village there seem to be some other dodgy and even dangerous characters frequenting the area, or at least having lived there as well:

    Urinating in the hallway is an interesting one:

    Somebody making threats with a knife lived there:

    Robbery of a Mc Donald's and having an address at Westend Village:

    Causing harm and injury to others, also seems to have an address at Westend Village:

    I honestly didn't think that this apartment complex had these kind of residents all in trouble with the law.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 studefromtrinners


    You'll get dangerous people everywhere, I remember a story of two farmers at logger heads.

    One guy produced a tungsten katana, a samurai sword for those who don't know what a katana is. And chased the other off his land.

    You'll hear about it more in urban areas,as for rural madness it's less on the mainstream media. Rural people have more shocking stories by far than urbanites.

    Rural people tend to defuse it before it hits the headlines. Or bury it until it becomes folklore.

    That's the difference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Too many shadows, whispering voices

    Faces on posters, too many choices

    If, when, why, what? How much have you got?

    Have you got it, do you get it

    If so, how often?

    Which do you choose

    A hard or soft option?

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,534 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    One of the two charged last week with the Kilbride body in the field killing, lives at Verdemont, next door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I blame the lack of work for Dairy farmers over the longer winter nights. Cows are milked more efficiently and the poor farmers are left with the chronic issue of a Sophia Lauren or Greta Scacchi lookalike forking out topless fellatio sessions for the price of a few up the town.

    What a torturous existence those poor bastards are forced to endure, all winter long?

    South American students, with gobs like a hoover, should know better, it is a shocking disgrace all in all?

    If they disconnected the broadband those farmers would stand half a chance. That's the real Devil in the detail. It is too long a time in the evenings to not be down nailing brown eyed, fair haired knockouts that are hanging around the new apts on the bypass Road, it's disgraceful.

    Who is feeding them at all at all ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 studefromtrinners


    You got a heart of glass or a heart of stone

    Just you wait 'til I get you home

    We've got no future

    We've got no past

    Here today, built to last

    In every city, in every nation

    From Lake Geneva to the Finland station



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,393 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    @Count Dracula How the hell is banning something now legal supposed to help with eradicating something which is already illegal?

    Same complete failure of logic Ruhama et al constantly use.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Verdemont also seems full of dodgy characters:

    In this drug bust an involved Russian guy lived in Verdemont:

    And then this one here:


    Also they've had a major fire incident at Verdemont, apparently because somebody felt the need to barbeque.

    So far no brothel at Verdemont.

    Still the area seems to be full of strange characters one clearly doesn't want as neighbours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,564 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Dublin is full of dodgy characters who no one wants as neighbours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Most will struggle on the apps though. Just take a look at the numerous online dating threads on here. Apparently 80% of men on dating apps are unattractive so its not that surprising really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭AlanG


    You do realise there are around 100,000 people in Blanchardstown. It's pretty bizzare to be going back 10 years looking for news articles to put up on boards if you don't know anything about the area. If you are so interested in looking for brothels then you would be better off looking around east Dublin 2 and D4 which were the main areas for this trade before it moved online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I actually know the area more than well, - as I used to live there, specifically in the Westend Village apartment complex. I was mainly surprised how things have turned out and what kind of neighbours I would have had, would I have stayed there.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭Annascaul


    Blanchardstown is an example of having grown too much and too fast.

    It used to be a small village, later on it expanded, the Blanchardstown Shopping Centre and all the apartment blocks may it be Westend, Verdemont or Waterville on the other side. This means people moving into the area who are not from there, landlords renting out, or under financial pressure during the 2008 / 2009 financial crisis forced to rent out to all sorts of characters as well. It's also a bit transient there, tenants moving in and moving out again, coming and going, etc....

    Westend is a gated community, but considering an illegal brothel, and other criminals having lived there makes one wonder what the gates are there for?

    I guess the majority of people living there are ok, but one does get the odd dodgy oddball character having a brush with the law, drugs, running a brothel, murder, occasional violence and one or the other neighbor still insisting to bbq on a balcony and causing a fire.

    It makes the headlines, but overall, it's probably still a rare thing.



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