Thinking of going for the Jura e8...
JURA E8 Automatic Coffee Machine Dark Inox Ireland — northXsouth Ireland
Juras are great machines. Probably as close to semiautomatic as possible in terms of coffee taste ( still well behind it)
Only trouble with these machines they need to be serviced once a year or even often. To be fair all automatic machines needs service, but likes Delonghi you could do it yourself, they are very plain, Juras are extremely complex machines, no average Joe could do it , main issue is that brewing unit not removable.
thanks alec some good feedback
No problem, if you willing to service it ( by professional or yourself if you are advanced DIY person ) they are brilliant machines. If service not a option then Delonghi probably better choice.
Melitta another brand to consider ( they kind of half way between those two: coffee much better then Delonghi but not as complex as Jura) , they made in Switzerland too by same factory as Jura machines.
Miele are good machines but they cost a bit. Easy to service and every can be customised - strength, water temperature, pre brewing, grind, milk temperature etc.
do you have a Jura Alec? If so where do you service it?
Friends used to have one of those. I did like the coffee taste , much better than Delonghi. You almost could pull espresso shot with it . I wouldn't spend 1k on bean to cup though. If you do like good Espresso then bean to cup won't do the trick.
You could spend 1k or 2k on Bean to cup and still won't be able get coffee quality similar to one above.
If convenience( one touch brew) your main goal then choose machine for €250-450.
I am interested in the comment that a JURA S10 will have to be professionally serviced every year?
I downloaded the manual and I do not see a reference to professional servicing. We had a NEFF bean to cup the past 15+ years and until now there was zero service other than routine cleaning & descaling. It's now dead😪. The S8 looks a possible replacement.
I fully understand there is no match for the manual barrista approach, but the S8/ Z10 get pretty good reviews?
Same, if not i will prob get one when they come in to stock.
O rings , lubrication , cleaning the brewing unit etc. Jura is better build machine compared to Delonghi, nevertheless coffee grinds building up around brewing unit and need to be cleaned. Brewing unit not removable there too.
ps. I guess if you are lucky you could skip the service. My neighbour never bothered to change the oil in the car for years and nothing bad happened.
Bean to cup machine not the same as cars, but there are lots of moving parts made of plastic , dirt etc.