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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Hmmmm, I think I'd go with

    Baille

    Marchand

    Malherbe

    Ethzebeth

    Beirne

    Doris

    Vdf

    Alldritt

    Dupont

    Sexton

    Mapimpi

    Fickou

    Ringrose

    Prnaud

    Keenan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,940 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Am deserves a shout, was excellent any time I saw him this year, I think SA missed him when we played them last month. Ringrose has been back to his best too, mind, so I'd have either of those ahead of Ioane.



  • Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, Rieko is a superb attacker but I feel Ireland have exploited him multiple times when he plays at thirteen defensively.

    I think Porter & Sheehan could be in the discussion, but I guess France winning the GS and going the year undefeated gives the edge to Baille & Marchand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    All those French and SA props only play 50-55mins. It's cheating!

    The Irish front row are freaks. Furlong didnt have his best year. But still comfortably the best all-round TH.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Seems a wild comment considering VDF just won the player of the year, but I'm convinced Doris is the best of those three as well. He has it in him to be absolutely exceptional.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭Tommysocks11


    Yes we have a superb set of forwards but I think it's a pity we have no stand out blindside flanker as I think POM is too lightweight to make yards and he goes missing even though he is a brilliant line out operator, hoping baird maybe can be that number 6 I think we are lacking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Well when you look at the stats FTD posted in the other thread. It’s not really that wild a claim, as Doris had arguably a stronger year than VDF on paper. Truth is both have been world class this year.



  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Will be without Sexton for a good while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,365 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Big trouble if Sexton is out. Thought Crowley had a bit of a stinker against Ulster. Carty, Carbery and Burns aren't the answer either.

    Would be very tempted to break glass and go for Ross Byrne.



  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wouldn't consider it breaking glass, I'd prefer him to any of the others outside of Carbery.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,289 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Harry Byrne had had a good 25 against connacht, and should expect more minutes in the coming weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,365 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Wrong thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Looks very nasty. I'd be amazed if that doesn't require surgery and a stint on the sidelines for a while.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭ersatz


    HB would want to be landing those kicks, he missed at least one that he should have slotted today. I've come back to where I was on the 10 thing 18 months ago, #3 is Ross Byrne. He has improved his attacking game this season, he is a great defender, totally solid kicker, a good manager and he is consistent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,295 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Thought Crowley had a bit of a stinker against Ulster

    Really? I didn't see this at all. I thought he was pretty good (for a guy who has barely played 10 since the Australia game).

    Just looked in the Munster thread and I'm very surprised by the stick he's getting. He's been playing almost solely at 12 since November. He got a start at 10 tonight and I think looked pretty sharp. He needs game time. He's never going to develop at 10 if he's playing one game a month at 10 and the rest at 12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,977 ✭✭✭almostover


    Might not be the worst thing in the world that we may now have to go find the back up no.10 in the 6N. There's isn't a hope in hell that Sexton makes it through the WC campaign uninjured unless we have a dependable backup player that allows us to rotate during the pool stages. Burns and Carty aren't at the races at all. That leaves it up to battle between Crowley and Carbery at Munster plus Ross Byrne to shine in Sextons absence at Leinster. One of those guys needs to take up the mantle in the next 2-3 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,365 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Yes. I think Munster really struggled in the first half to find any attacking in roads bar a strong Fekitoa carry through traffic.

    Fwiw that's not entirely down to Crowley. The structure in attack still isn't bedded in yet. There was a lot of passing to static forwards.

    Post edited by Clegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Bit harsh to say Crowley had a stinker, he was MOTM lol. Healy looked great for the 30 minutes or so he was on btw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,940 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    The problem with Ross Byrne is that he doesn’t suit Ireland’s style whatsoever.

    Imo, Crowley was decent in the first half (kicking from hand aside, which was really poor from both Munster half-backs) and much better in the 2nd half. Obviously his break from 12 late on was a huge turning point in the game.

    (Tbh, I thought his performance from 10 vs Ulster in Thomond was better).

    But overall, I’d still comfortably have Carbery ahead of both Crowley and Ross Byrne for the 6 Nations if Sexton isn’t available. Especially given his form prior to the Leinster game.



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    I can't see how rb isn't second choice now. Who's better?

    Carty claims are put to bed. 60% kicking average?

    Carbery is a full back, Crowley (yes I think he's potential).

    Backups to Sexton are not good.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,940 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I’d be surprised if Ross Byrne is 2nd choice tbh.

    He did really well with the winning penalty in the Autumn. But his place kicking was never in question.

    It’s his general play that is. (In the same game, he handled the ball 3 times. He threw an intercept in 1 of those phases).

    And since then, Carbery has been in really good form, other than the Leinster game.

    And that’s without mentioning that Crowley started ahead of him in that game vs Aus.

    I just don’t think he suits out style or play at all tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,365 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I don't think there's many dissimilarities in how Ireland plays compared to Leinster. Both sides place great importance on multiple playmakers in the side, with the 10 picking and choosing the best moments to become involved.

    Byrne isn't a test quality 10. I think he can get ruffled at times when a defence making a hard rush at him. He also doesn't have the athleticism to ever consistently threaten the line. But as a short term placeholder, I think he's the best option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,365 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Jordan Larmour has impressed me a lot since his return from injury. His broken field running is as impressive as ever, but he's also playing with a lot of calmness as well. After making the initial break he's drawing defenders in and passing to the free man. Keeps the attack going. His work rate has been excellent too. He moves off his wing a lot in order to contribute to the attack.

    He has a lot of ground to make up on the likes of JOB and Baloucoune, but he continues to play well I can see him making the Six Nations squad.



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    I just don't see it. Rb defence is great. 10 channel defence is important. Looks like Crowley has that as well.

    Sexton had a huge knock today. I'd go go with Ross for the 6 nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I'm not sure who I'd go with. I suppose Crowley will get into the squad. He's not played much at 10. He won't get picked as a center. I hope Munster start him next week

    RB is limited. But he's better than Carty and Burns. Neither should be involved. HBB doesn't have the minutes. I reckon it's Carberry, Crowley and RB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,295 ✭✭✭TRC10


    If Farrell picks Ross Byrne to start at 10 it would be a huge departure from what he's been doing over the last 18 months. I can't see it happening. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the three 10s are Carbery, Crowley and one of Harry Byrne and Frawley.

    Ireland would need to radically change their play style to accommodate Ross Byrne at 10, and that won't happen at this stage in the cycle.



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Everleigh Freezing Oasis


    Leinster don't radically change anything when Ross Byrne starts. Why would Ireland have to?

    Though I tend to agree it seems very unlikely. It'll be Carbery for sure, beyond that there is absolutely no way Crowley is a better 10 at the moment then Byrne but seems he's tending in that direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The starting OH will very likely be Sexton in a Phantom of the Opera mask. If not, I'm not sure why we'd deviate from Carbery.

    That said, if RB gets a call up and impresses in training, I don't think he'll be miles behind Crowley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    It will be Carbery.

    This isn't even a debate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭ersatz


    No-one expects anyone but Carbery at #2, it's #3 that is still up for grabs.



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