Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Vaccines produce immunity to a specific disease. Medicines which are unable to produce immunity are not vaccines. This is a fact.

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Let me make this clear to you. It is a fact that there was and still is a choice.

Nonsense. No one was forced.

Is this a joke? Serious Qs. Any suspected adverse reaction reported is investigated, especially if it describes something possibly new or not already labelled. The regulators in Ireland and many other countries published detailed info on all reports received and safety information updates were produced on a very regular basis for the first year or more from the vaccine roll out.

There were press conferences on RTÉ news FFS after a handful of cases of the rare clotting syndrome with AZ vaccine were reported across Europe and actually before any were reported in Ireland.

When cases of myocarditis with mRNA vaccines were reported in US and Israel warnings were added to the vaccine information in Europe and were all over the HSE website and that was even before young men and teenagers became eligible for the mRNA vaccines.

You don’t have to be a fan of the vaccines and that’s fine but this talk of no investigations and cover ups of adverse events is pure fantasy land stuff.

"All about control, Chinese credit system, cultural Marxism, martial law, 5G face recognition, permenant lockdowns, you'll own nothing, 4 billion dead, Soros, Gates, NWO" etc.

What happened is that these people are now secretly fucuking mortified by their behaviour over the last few years and have quietly just slipped back into society. 14 billion jabs later.

You cannot rewrite a fact of history here. Especially something as recent as this. You appear to be projecting your anger at your son choosing to get vaccinated to try and rewrite factual events. You could just lose the plot with your son instead of pushing a lie here.

covidians is a new one on me. Is it the opposite of covidiot?

Serious questions about that study. Which isn't a new study, it is a re-examination of the original data with some very questionable data selection and comparison.

The odd choices of what was and wasn’t included as SAEs. For example, Doshi included diarrhea, but not vomiting (or, as the surgeon in me can’t help but note, intestinal perforation or volvulus, the latter a known complication of a certain vaccine); hyperglycemia (high blood sugar) but not hypoglycemia (low blood sugar); gastrointestinal hemorrhage but not duodenal ulcer hemorrhage (which is a form of gastrointestinal hemorrhage); and coronary artery disease but not atherosclerosis (which causes coronary artery disease). It’s all very curious. Perhaps the most important issue is that “events related to COVID-19” were excluded, which on the surface makes sense, but, given that COVID-19 cases were much more common in the placebo controlled group, automatically biases the results for the remaining SAEs to the vaccine-group.

To put it briefly, they compared number of SAEs, not the number of patients who suffered an SAE. This sort of analysis is guaranteed to double count SAES—at least!—because some of the SAEs or groups of SAES will be linked. For example, as Dr. Oliver originally pointed out, abdominal pain often goes along with diarrhea, to which I would add that colitis or enterocolitis can lead to gastrointestinal hemorrhage. Moreover, formal reporting systems for clinical trial AEs require that all AEs be entered, even when they are related, which is why analyses are usually done at the patient-level, as in “number of patients who suffered this AE”, rather than in total AEs reported in each group independent of the number of patients. I’d be willing to bet that if the same statistical analysis were done using per-patient-level data rather than SAE-level data the statistical significance would likely disappear.

You can only hospitalize patients, not SAEs (or AEs). An individual patient in the vaccine group could suffer more than one AE, but a patient in the placebo control group could only be hospitalized once (in the context of the limited timeframe of the clinical trial) for COVID-19.

And more on the antivax agenda of Peter Doshi:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-the-bmj/

Are we seriously still scouring the internet for contentious cherry picked studies after 14 billion jabs, mere hours from 2023?!

It’s bizarre as anti-vaxxers can’t even identify a number of people that died from the vaccine, whereas there have been millions upon millions dead due to Covid.

You got to do better than “could”. All you need to do is identify the number killed by covid +1 to be able to declare how dangerous the vaccines are in comparison to getting Covid.

They can’t let it go. The anti-vaccine movement was almost dead when the autism link was shown to be nonsense, now it’s being revived with brand new boogey men. It’s got a long way to go.