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EV charger installation companies?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    User1998 wrote: »
    Ah I see, now I see the appeal of them. I wasn’t aware that most of the energy from the solar panels goes back to the grid without you getting paid. I got my 32a tethered unit installed for only €200 after grant which included a priority switch, whereas Zappis seem to be around €1000 even after the grant for a supply and install job?

    Not quite that much! Around the €1000 installed before the grant would be the norm for a basic install. A bit more now there is the newer generation Zappi charger that is more expensive to buy.
    Lumen wrote: »
    Is there a minimum amount of solar that makes sense for charging an EV?

    I was thinking of doing a solar car port, but I read that a 10kW system is around 70sqm, so a 7x5 double car port would only be 5kW, and I imagine that's a maximum.


    10kW? Hold on man, the ESB doesn't allow you to have more than 6kW of power connected to the grid :)

    (technically you could have a 6kW inverter and 100kW of panels though if you so wished)


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    User1998 wrote: »
    Ah I see, now I see the appeal of them. I wasn’t aware that most of the energy from the solar panels goes back to the grid without you getting paid. I got my 32a tethered unit installed for only €200 after grant which included a priority switch, whereas Zappis seem to be around €1000 even after the grant for a supply and install job?

    €1000 after grant for a Zappi is insane money. The grant more or less covers the cost of the Zappi itself and then its a case of how much your electrician charges you for the 1-2hrs work.... if thats €1000 Im in the wrong job! ;)

    Lumen wrote: »
    Is there a minimum amount of solar that makes sense for charging an EV?

    There isnt a right or wrong answer to that.

    To get anything meaningful into the car I think you'd need 4kWp bearing in mind that it would be producing alot less than 4kW for several months of the year and you need to subtract the background house load as well.

    Some EV's cutoff at 1.4kW and allowing for the background house load of a few hundred watts I guess you could argue that 2kWp is the minimum... not sure you would get anything much into the car at that rate though before the sun went down.


  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭mrbongo


    KCross wrote: »
    €1000 after grant for a Zappi is insane money. The grant more or less covers the cost of the Zappi itself and then its a case of how much your electrician charges you for the 1-2hrs work.... if thats €1000 Im in the wrong job! ;)

    The Zappi V2 tethered is around 880 eur, grant covers 600eur. Installs now require isolation switches which add to the cost. We got Darkin Electrical to do our install, 1400 eur Zappi V2 and isolation switch included, so overall we will have paid 800 eur after we get the grant. Darkin have a supply of Zappis, they're hard to get directly I think without waiting a few months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    I got the zappi v 1 installed, I think after grant it cost me 400 quid


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I just got the Zappi V2 tethered installed last monday. Very neatly done by Nigel Daly. Easy installation, unit positioned close to fuse board so no isolation switch needed.

    Price was between last two posts..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    mrbongo wrote: »
    Installs now require isolation switches which add to the cost.

    Lots of us have had the installs done with no isolator and a specific thread was opened in the electrical forum only a few weeks ago and the upshot seems to be that an isolator is not required.

    Some sparks are being ultra cautious or misinterpreting the regs and insisting on it but its not actually required.


    You seem to have paid about €520 for your labour. Thats a tad high, imo, unless your job was particularly difficult or something.

    How many hours were they onsite doing the job?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    KCross wrote: »
    Lots of us have had the installs done with no isolator and a specific thread was opened in the electrical forum only a few weeks ago and the upshot seems to be that an isolator is not required.

    Some sparks are being ultra cautious or misinterpreting the regs and insisting on it but its not actually required.


    You seem to have paid about €520 for your labour. Thats a tad high, imo, unless your job was particularly difficult or something.

    How many hours were they onsite doing the job?

    An isolator is required for every install according to RECI inspector I spoke to recently.

    I would have been of the opinion that they were required for certain installs before but would use my own discretion.

    This is no longer the case.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    KCross wrote: »
    €1000 after grant for a Zappi is insane money. The grant more or less covers the cost of the Zappi itself and then its a case of how much your electrician charges you for the 1-2hrs work.... if thats €1000 Im in the wrong job!

    An hour or 2!!
    You.must be like Usain Bolt up and down the ladder


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭User1998


    Mine took like 4/5 hours

    The sparks was saying the boss wasn’t going to make anything off me because we had already agreed a price and he ended up having to do 2 hours over time to finish the job


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Felexicon wrote: »
    An hour or 2!!
    You.must be like Usain Bolt up and down the ladder

    The install of my EV charge point (by an experienced dedicated EV charge point installer), a pretty standard installation with only a very short run of cable, took about 1.5h

    Anything longer than that can only be explained by a combination of either the installer not knowing what they are doing or not very experienced / being very slow / the install being more complex


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Felexicon wrote: »
    An isolator is required for every install according to RECI inspector I spoke to recently.

    I would have been of the opinion that they were required for certain installs before but would use my own discretion.

    This is no longer the case.

    I can only go by what is being done on the ground. No isolator installed on mine and the new regs just out don’t appear to have changed anything.

    You’re on this thread so you know there is differing opinions on the topic from sparks who know the regs very well.
    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058057675/


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭eagerv


    eagerv wrote: »
    I just got the Zappi V2 tethered installed last monday. Very neatly done by Nigel Daly. Easy installation, unit positioned close to fuse board so no isolation switch needed.

    Price was between last two posts..


    Just to add that mine took about 2 hours plus 2 hours total travel time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Felexicon wrote: »
    An hour or 2!!
    You.must be like Usain Bolt up and down the ladder

    Depends on the job, of course.

    2hrs isn’t out of the ordinary particularly in the likes of a typical 3 bed semi where the consumer unit is inside the gable wall and the charge point mounted just outside it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    KCross wrote: »
    I can only go by what is being done on the ground. No isolator installed on mine and the new regs just out don’t appear to have changed anything.

    You’re on this thread so you know there is differing opinions on the topic from sparks who know the regs very well.
    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058057675/

    Yeah it's since that thread that I've been speaking to RECI about it. New regs have not changed the wording around this but they are adamant that all installs going forward need an isolator regardless of lenght of run, tethered or untethered.

    I think it's overkill in a lot of instances.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    KCross wrote: »
    Depends on the job, of course.

    2hrs isn’t out of the ordinary particularly in the likes of a typical 3 bed semi where the consumer unit is inside the gable wall and the charge point mounted just outside it.

    Ah yeah if its out the back of the board and down the wall youre laughing.

    Longest I've taken is around 6 hours but that was a 30m run and nearly a full box of clips


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    unkel wrote: »
    The install of my EV charge point (by an experienced dedicated EV charge point installer), a pretty standard installation with only a very short run of cable, took about 1.5h

    Anything longer than that can only be explained by a combination of either the installer not knowing what they are doing or not very experienced / being very slow / the install being more complex

    1.5 hours is quick but definitely not unheard of.

    I'd say you should be adding installer taking pride in their work and understanding that this is a unit going in a visible location on someone's house as a reason for adding a bit of time. We can all lash them in and move on to the next one but you'll find work dries up fairly quickly with that approach


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    unkel wrote: »
    The install of my EV charge point (by an experienced dedicated EV charge point installer), a pretty standard installation with only a very short run of cable, took about 1.5h

    Anything longer than that can only be explained by a combination of either the installer not knowing what they are doing or not very experienced / being very slow / the install being more complex

    1.5 hours is quick but definitely not unheard of.

    I'd say you should be adding installer taking pride in their work and understanding that this is a unit going in a visible location on someone's house as a reason for adding a bit of time. We can all lash them in and move on to the next one but you'll find work dries up fairly quickly with that approach


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Felexicon wrote: »
    1.5 hours is quick but definitely not unheard of.

    I'd say you should be adding installer taking pride in their work and understanding that this is a unit going in a visible location on someone's house as a reason for adding a bit of time. We can all lash them in and move on to the next one but you'll find work dries up fairly quickly with that approach

    If you're insinuating it was a hatch job, then you couldn't be more wrong. The job was done to perfection. As I said, by a very experienced EV charge point installer. Working for the company that has done more EV charge point installs than all other EV charge point installers in the country combined :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    unkel wrote: »
    If you're insinuating it was a hatch job, then you couldn't be more wrong. The job was done to perfection. As I said, by a very experienced EV charge point installer. Working for the company that has done more EV charge point installs than all other EV charge point installers in the country combined :D

    Not at all. Just pointing out that there are more reasons than inexperience/laziness for a job taking a bit longer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Just for the people inquiring - my installer was Nigel Daly. My install was done under the old subsidy scheme that ended in 2017 and gave you a completely free ABL charge point installed at your home. Nigel Daly had the ESB contract for this.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,343 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I was emailing and talking to Nigel Daly Electrical for about a month, with promises of a call back to arrange the install of my own supplied Tesla Wall Connector, and I still haven’t had the call!!

    Called up and spoke to Nigel himself asking what the craic was, and he apologised and had the office call me within 10 minutes saying I’d be booked in for my install later that day or the next day worst case!!

    That was 3 weeks ago and I’m still waiting for them to call! Meanwhile I had the charger installed by Powerwise Electrical about 2 weeks ago!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 31,072 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I was emailing and talking to Nigel Daly Electrical for about a month, with promises of a call back to arrange the install of my own supplied Tesla Wall Connector, and I still haven’t had the call!!

    Called up and spoke to Nigel himself asking what the craic was, and he apologised and had the office call me within 10 minutes saying I’d be booked in for my install later that day or the next day worst case!!
    That is my experience also.


  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭mrbongo


    Here's the bill from my Zappi V2 install, including isolator, from Darkin Electrical:

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    As you can see labour is 250 eur incl VAT. Install took around 6 hours, slower than normal but very good attention to detail and a lot of pride in the work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭society4


    Hi would you recommend Powerwise electrical ….thinking of using them to install an ev charger and som either minor electrical work ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,343 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Yeah, I didn’t have any issue at all with the work they did…. Almost 3 years later and there’s not been an issue at all with the charger..



  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭mickey15ie


    Can anyone recommend an installer for Galway area?



  • Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭society4




  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Curiousness99


    i was charged 2400 for an install of a zappi tethered charger, needed an earth and upgraded tips (cables coming into the house from the esb) some other stuff, two guys did a long day and came back the next day for about an hour.

    Sounds very high compared to others but there did seem to be a fair bit of work required, cables bypassing pipes and charger was a good bit away from esb meter

    I think I might need to pay the esb another 200 🤔 when they come as they need to do something before the charger is fully functional



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Sounds very high compared to others

    It’s the luck of the draw really. You had to get extra work done due to your existing wiring not being up to the job.


    Newer houses are less likely to have the issue. It is a potential hidden cost to switching to EV that people don’t realise until the electrician gives them the bad news!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭society4


    Can you use it at a lower power until the esb come out…I heard it can take 8 weeks for them to call..



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