EV charger installation companies?

kodirl

Hi folks, I'm looking to get a charger installed at my home for my Nissan Leaf. Just wondering does anyone know of any companies in Ireland who supply and install charging units?

Calahonda52

are you getting the grant?

kodirl

Calahonda52 wrote: »

are you getting the grant?

No,unfortunately I'm not.

unkel

How come? You bought your Leaf second hand before the start of this year?

billy few mates

http://www.nigelmdaly.com

I used this company and was very happy with them. Fast, efficient, neat installation and fully up to speed with the paperwork for the grant.

Orebro

billy few mates wrote: »

http://www.nigelmdaly.com

I used this company and was very happy with them. Fast, efficient, neat installation and fully up to speed with the paperwork for the grant.

In fairness, the paper work is very straight forward, as are most installs. Why not get your local electrician to do it - lots of these companies are charging over the odds making it out to be a specialist job.

How much did it cost you?

unkel

billy few mates wrote: »

http://www.nigelmdaly.com

I used this company and was very happy with them. Fast, efficient, neat installation and fully up to speed with the paperwork for the grant.

How much was the total cost to you minus the €600 grant?

Nigel Dally installed mine and it was completely free under the old regime. Mind, I had to provide him with upgraded cable that I bought myself and I had to have a robust discussion with him before he agreed to do that. The upgraded cable was necessary for me to upgrade my charger myself from 16A to 32A

I hasten to add that Nigel Daly did an excellent job installing my charger. It was quick and it was done well.

slave1

billy few mates wrote: »

http://www.nigelmdaly.com

I used this company and was very happy with them. Fast, efficient, neat installation and fully up to speed with the paperwork for the grant.

Whilst the electrical side of the installation was fine for me with these guys, they left a gaping hole in my garage entry point and I got a rodent issue because of it so I would not recommend.

kodirl

Thanks for the info regarding NigelMDaly

billy few mates

Orebro wrote: »

In fairness, the paper work is very straight forward, as are most installs. Why not get your local electrician to do it - lots of these companies are charging over the odds making it out to be a specialist job.

How much did it cost you?

It may well be, all I had to do was sign it, he did everything else. We went through a range of options with the installer over the phone before deciding. We could have had one which was covered completely by the grant but ended up paying an additional €300 for a particular model. We also had quite a long run from the fusebox to the point on the wall where we wanted the unit.
There was a couple of walls to drill through and an attic space to negotiate but the only visible cable is neatly clipped to the inside of the garage wall. The only external hole is where the cable meets the charger and the charger completely covers that so no rodent issue possible.
I was more than happy with the job they did, I thought it was well worth the €300 I spent on it.
I didn't try a local electrician. I struggled in the past to get one to do a job for me after another one didn't show up as promised, I decided to go with a company who specialise in car charger installation. I got quotes from two others, prices were similar but wait times were longer.

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

Whilst the electrical side of the installation was fine for me with these guys, they left a gaping hole in my garage entry point and I got a rodent issue because of it so I would not recommend.

Did you challenge them about this?

Macker

billy few mates wrote: »

http://www.nigelmdaly.com

I used this company and was very happy with them. Fast, efficient, neat installation and fully up to speed with the paperwork for the grant.

I got a quote of 1700 for a run of 3 yards from the fuse board, ended up paying 594

unkel

Crazy stuff. I asked Nigel Daly about an upgrade from the free 16A charger to a pedestal 32A charger further down my drive and I was quoted EUR1100

Say no more, I just went for the free install, paid about €60 in materials (thicker wire and a heavier duty fuse), upgraded the unit myself by programming it from a laptop and got a friendly sparks to put in the fuse (2 minute job). I had to get a custom made €240 cable though, but the charging is now as easy as it could possibly be. Even better than at the ESB fast charging points

Shefwedfan

Macker wrote: »

I got a quote of 1700 for a run of 3 yards from the fuse board, ended up paying 594

Your not the first person I heard about this type of stuff from...

One poor lady on facebook was going on she had to rewire her house to get a charger. Then when Nigel asked about contacting her, she said it was them that told her :P it went quiet very quickly as Nigel has his mates on facebook....

I must say the work I have seen has been very good. But that is just from photo's

As I recommend to everyone, price around. Get a quote from Nigel but also from a few companies. The installation of a charger is not a complex process. Some people have it in their interest to make it seem complicated but its not.

iniall

I've had quotes from four people and Nigel's coming in about mid-way, price wise, but he seems to know more about the whole area than some of the others, so I think we're going to go with him and hope I don't end up posting a horror story here...

Shefwedfan

iniall wrote: »

I've had quotes from four people and Nigel's coming in about mid-way, price wise, but he seems to know more about the whole area than some of the others, so I think we're going to go with him and hope I don't end up posting a horror story here...

Please note I am not saying you should not use Nigel....as I mentioned above his work looks good....plus a huge amount of people are happy with him

What I do recommend to everyone is price around. Simple as that.

People seem to think putting in a charger is this huge installation. It is not. Even at worst you might need priority switch. But you get that installed if you have 2 electric showers.....

icom

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Please note I am not saying you should not use Nigel....as I mentioned above his work looks good....plus a huge amount of people are happy with him

What I do recommend to everyone is price around. Simple as that.

People seem to think putting in a charger is this huge installation. It is not. Even at worst you might need priority switch. But you get that installed if you have 2 electric showers.....

I have two electric showers and have a priority switch. If I want to have a 6.6 KW charge point installed, do I need to have another priority switch added ?

Shefwedfan

icom wrote: »

I have two electric showers and have a priority switch. If I want to have a 6.6 KW charge point installed, do I need to have another priority switch added ?

No, I would have to ask my electrician the exact details

I have 2 Triton T90 electric shower and a car charger. Also a power shower running of the hot water....all works no problem

Grudaire

slave1 wrote: »

Whilst the electrical side of the installation was fine for me with these guys, they left a gaping hole in my garage entry point and I got a rodent issue because of it so I would not recommend.

Funny enough they did a very neat job on mine just a few weeks ago - even put putty around the hole drilled for the cable.

iniall

Just to update on this: electrician from NMD came yesterday and installed a Zappi charger for us, so we didn't need a priority switch. No horror story to report, thankfully - he did a really good job, I think, cleaning up, filling in any holes in the wall and keeping the cable tacked as neatly as possible on the exterior of the house. It took longer than expected, but the fuseboard is on the opposite side of the house to the driveway, so there was quite a lot of cable to run between it and the charger. I'm very pleased with it and - assuming it works as it should - would definitely recommend Nigel Daly electrical.

slave1

Grudaire wrote: »

Funny enough they did a very neat job on mine just a few weeks ago - even put putty around the hole drilled for the cable.

Learned their lesson so...

billy few mates

iniall wrote: »

Just to update on this: electrician from NMD came yesterday and installed a Zappi charger for us, so we didn't need a priority switch. No horror story to report, thankfully - he did a really good job, I think, cleaning up, filling in any holes in the wall and keeping the cable tacked as neatly as possible on the exterior of the house. It took longer than expected, but the fuseboard is on the opposite side of the house to the driveway, so there was quite a lot of cable to run between it and the charger. I'm very pleased with it and - assuming it works as it should - would definitely recommend Nigel Daly electrical.

Exactly my experience, the guy did a lovely job, didn't even stop for a cup of tea I offered him. Was very accommodating with the installation dates I needed and turned up bang on time.
Couldn't ask for any more really.

unkel

iniall wrote: »

Just to update on this: electrician from NMD came yesterday and installed a Zappi charger for us, so we didn't need a priority switch. No horror story to report, thankfully - he did a really good job, I think, cleaning up, filling in any holes in the wall and keeping the cable tacked as neatly as possible on the exterior of the house. It took longer than expected, but the fuseboard is on the opposite side of the house to the driveway, so there was quite a lot of cable to run between it and the charger. I'm very pleased with it and - assuming it works as it should - would definitely recommend Nigel Daly electrical.

It might help some people if you gave us a break down of total costs?

Grumpypants

What's the best option for a charger. I've asked NMD for a quote and they recommend a Zappi as I can add PV panels down the line. But It has a tethered cable. I'd really prefer just a plug socket option. But does anyone have any long-term experience with a socket or tethered line?

I'm guessing one is a pain to keep getting the cable out of the boot, but the other runs the risk of any issue with the tethered cable will need an electrician to replace it.


The guy I bought the car from had this one installed https://www.amazon.co.uk/Electric-EV-Charging-commercial-manufactured/dp/B01N12OVZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536837722&sr=8-1&keywords=electric+car+charger.

Surely I could get a local spark to install it for around €200 and get in and around the grant amount. NMD quoted €1100 for the Zappi installed.

Shefwedfan

The Zappi is best in market if you plan long term to install PV. So it might be better to bite the bullet now and install or longer term you might need to swap.

Of course if car is never going to be at house form 9-5 majority of days then a Zappi will be a bit wasted as well.

I just have a chargemaster. Socket on the wall more or less.

250 quid for install but this was before the grant. I have no idea what you need to do to get grant these days

How did NMD come to 1100 out of interest? how far is fuse board to charge point location? any heavy lifting to be done?

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How did NMD come to 1100 out of interest? how far is fuse board to charge point location? any heavy lifting to be done?

1100 is what he charges. Got similar quote 2 years ago from him for a Rolec for a relatively easy install. He is expensive. End of.

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

1100 is what he charges. Got similar quote 2 years ago from him for a Rolec for a relatively easy install. He is expensive. End of.

I wasnt aware that was his standard rate.....I would be asking for gold coated cables for that price

daheff

sorry to hijack this thread somewhat, but can people tell me what I should be getting installed if I got any of the below cars?


Nissan Leaf 40kw (or 60 if I wait)
Kia Niro PHEV or BEV
Hyundai Kona/ Ioniq


I guess from reading this forum that all chargers are not the same - are there converters available (eg from ChaDemo to CCS?)

thanks

Grumpypants

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How did NMD come to 1100 out of interest? how far is fuse board to charge point location? any heavy lifting to be done?

Nothing major, fuse board is near the back door in the utility. I can put the charger within 5m of the back door. I'd prefer it around the front which would be a long run of cable. No electric showers etc. Seems to just be the min price for him to install.

The PV panels is a pipe dream I think, and anyway, they would be better served by powering the house in the day and I could use the grid for the night charging.

slave1

Grumpypants wrote: »

What's the best option for a charger. I've asked NMD for a quote and they recommend a Zappi as I can add PV panels down the line. But It has a tethered cable. I'd really prefer just a plug socket option. But does anyone have any long-term experience with a socket or tethered line?

I'm guessing one is a pain to keep getting the cable out of the boot, but the other runs the risk of any issue with the tethered cable will need an electrician to replace it.


The guy I bought the car from had this one installed https://www.amazon.co.uk/Electric-EV-Charging-commercial-manufactured/dp/B01N12OVZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536837722&sr=8-1&keywords=electric+car+charger.

Surely I could get a local spark to install it for around €200 and get in and around the grant amount. NMD quoted €1100 for the Zappi installed.

€1,100 is crazy money, I bought a Pod Point brand new on ebay for £150 delivered and purchased the cable myself (€30 tops) and ran it from board to required install point. NMD then charged €300 for the hook up (I also bought a priority switch which needed to be installed). No grant last year.

Drill a hole or two, lay the cable yourself and you're looking at €500...

Shefwedfan

slave1 wrote: »

€1,100 is crazy money, I bought a Pod Point brand new on ebay for £150 delivered and purchased the cable myself (€30 tops) and ran it from board to required install point. NMD then charged €300 for the hook up (I also bought a priority switch which needed to be installed). No grant last year.

Drill a hole or two, lay the cable yourself and you're looking at €500...

I got the whole lot with local electrician for 250-280....that included cables etc. Probably about 8m of cable

Shefwedfan

daheff wrote: »

sorry to hijack this thread somewhat, but can people tell me what I should be getting installed if I got any of the below cars?


Nissan Leaf 40kw (or 60 if I wait)
Kia Niro PHEV or BEV
Hyundai Kona/ Ioniq


I guess from reading this forum that all chargers are not the same - are there converters available (eg from ChaDemo to CCS?)

thanks

ChaDemo is only on leaf.


Everything else will be CCS, including all the new VW's and its range.


You can just install a charger point with no cable, then plug in the cable you get with car. That is what I done.

KCross

daheff wrote: »

sorry to hijack this thread somewhat, but can people tell me what I should be getting installed if I got any of the below cars?


Nissan Leaf 40kw (or 60 if I wait)
Kia Niro PHEV or BEV
Hyundai Kona/ Ioniq


I guess from reading this forum that all chargers are not the same - are there converters available (eg from ChaDemo to CCS?)

thanks

You are confusing slow home charging (AC) and public rapid charging(DC).

Public rapid use either ChaDeMo or CCS. Neither of those are relevant for home charging.

The cars have two charge ports (AC and DC).

The cars you have listed will be using a type 2 port for AC charging and they will all come with a cable to match that.

So you need to decide whether you want a tethered or untethered charge point. Tethered means the cable will be attached permanently to the charge point and you need to ensure the cable is a type 2 cable (vs type 1 which is used for old Leaf).

If you go untethered you will use the cable that comes with the car and plug it in/out each time or leave it plugged in permanently.

Grumpypants

Got an updated quote from NMD for a socket style one not a Zappi. €820 plus Vat so around €930. €330 after the grant.

It's the same one you can get on Amazon for €380. So €550 to install!

unkel

That's more like it. Still not particularly cheap, but he will do a good job.

Shefwedfan

Grumpypants wrote: »

Got an updated quote from NMD for a socket style one not a Zappi. €820 plus Vat so around €930. €330 after the grant.

It's the same one you can get on Amazon for €380. So €550 to install!

They will be making a mark up on the product, I would guess they have to sell at street price so 600 quid, I think electricautos are selling for that



So really you are looking at 330 for install

DM1983

Local electrician charged €200 for a very simple install. 2m cable run. No priority switch. Very neat and tidy job. Ordered tethered rolec with outside socket online and shipped through parcel motel. Total cost to me was €100.

I remember a few months ago people saying on here there was some form of glitch ordering through evonestop and the VAT wasn't applied to Irish orders. Worth checking if its still the case because that would bring total cost for a basic install under the €600. Don't be put off by having to complete a simple form yourself. There is nothing to it.

Also, definitely get a tethered unit. No question. So much handier. Electrician said swapping a type 1 to type 2 plug in the future would be the most basic of jobs.

Random Bloke

Dmangan wrote: »

Local electrician charged €200 for a very simple install. 2m cable run. No priority switch. Very neat and tidy job. Ordered tethered rolec with outside socket online and shipped through parcel motel. Total cost to me was €100.

I remember a few months ago people saying on here there was some form of glitch ordering through evonestop and the VAT wasn't applied to Irish orders. Worth checking if its still the case because that would bring total cost for a basic install under the €600. Don't be put off by having to complete a simple form yourself. There is nothing to it.

Also, definitely get a tethered unit. No question. So much handier. Electrician said swapping a type 1 to type 2 plug in the future would be the most basic of jobs.

Sorry if answered before but can you use the grant to pay for a charger that you buy from amazon / eBay? Or do you need an invoice from a RECI electrician inclusive of the cost of the charger?

DM1983

Random Bloke wrote: »

Dmangan wrote: »

Local electrician charged €200 for a very simple install. 2m cable run. No priority switch. Very neat and tidy job. Ordered tethered rolec with outside socket online and shipped through parcel motel. Total cost to me was €100.

I remember a few months ago people saying on here there was some form of glitch ordering through evonestop and the VAT wasn't applied to Irish orders. Worth checking if its still the case because that would bring total cost for a basic install under the €600. Don't be put off by having to complete a simple form yourself. There is nothing to it.

Also, definitely get a tethered unit. No question. So much handier. Electrician said swapping a type 1 to type 2 plug in the future would be the most basic of jobs.

Sorry if answered before but can you use the grant to pay for a charger that you buy from amazon / eBay? Or do you need an invoice from a RECI electrician inclusive of the cost of the charger?

You can buy the charger yourself but it has to be installed by a certified electrician. They will provide the 2 forms, a test record sheet and a certificate number 3, that you need to submit to claim the grant.

unkel

Dmangan wrote: »

Local electrician charged €200 for a very simple install. 2m cable run.

And for anyone wondering why he would charge €200 for a very simple job - this probably includes a few meters of 6mm2 T&E cable (€25), some ducting (€25) and a 40A RCBO (€35), so not an awful lot more than €100 for his time. Which is about right for a call out fee plus maybe 1.5h work or so for a simple install

icom

Got a Rolec online for 350 delivered and a local electrician installed it for 250, so the grant will cover everything.

17larsson

unkel wrote: »

And for anyone wondering why he would charge €200 for a very simple job - this probably includes a few meters of 6mm2 T&E cable (€25), some ducting (€25) and a 40A RCBO (€35), so not an awful lot more than €100 for his time. Which is about right for a call out fee plus maybe 1.5h work or so for a simple install

Plus certificate, plus isolator for charger, plus initial call out to check that mains tails, earth electrode and main bonding for gas/water are all correct size before the new circuit is added.

I guarantee some or all of those weren't included in that price

ted1

17larsson wrote: »

Plus certificate, plus isolator for charger, plus initial call out to check that mains tails, earth electrode and main bonding for gas/water are all correct size before the new circuit is added.

I guarantee some or all of those weren't included in that price

A decent sparks will have the above and can do it on site without a second visit

daheff

i already have solar panels in my house. They provide power to the house when working. Do I need anything special because of these when installing a charging point?



Also I assume charging points have 2 outlets on them (So 2 cars can charge together)? Any i've seen on a quick google look to have 2 outlets


edit these are the ones i'm seeing, but on closer look its 1 outlet

Socket

SemperFidelis

You don't need to do anything special if you have PV but you may want to install the Zappi charger and take advantage of the solar produced electricity. This can be set to only charge the car when there is excess solar electricity.

I've only seen home chargers with a single charge point (1 car only).

unkel

SemperFidelis wrote: »

You don't need to do anything special if you have PV but you may want to install the Zappi charger and take advantage of the solar produced electricity. This can be set to only charge the car when there is excess solar electricity.

To add to that, most EVs need 6A charging at the very minimum. So the Zappi only works for charging your car if you are overproducing at least 1.4kW over and above your household base load. So realistically you need a minimum of 6 or 7 PV panels (and a very small household base load), or your car won't charge at all on PV

If you have fewer PV panels at the moment, but plan to install more in future, then for sure the Zappi should be considered.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

To add to that, most EVs need 6A charging at the very minimum. So the Zappi only works for charging your car if you are overproducing at least 1.4kW over and above your household base load. So realistically you need a minimum of 6 or 7 PV panels (and a very small household base load), or your car won't charge at all on PV

If you have fewer PV panels at the moment, but plan to install more in future, then for sure the Zappi should be considered.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.



So if you had a 1.8kW system and you load is 0.5 then the Zappi would be useless as it wouldnt have enought to charge car?

denismc

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.



So if you had a 1.8kW system and you load is 0.5 then the Zappi would be useless as it wouldnt have enought to charge car?

It will still charge if you have a surplus of 1.3, its just that the balance will drawn from the grid.
I doubt very few people would charge at the minimum requirement anyway, it would take to long .
So the Zappi will work fine even without PV but obviously the more surplus you have from your panels the cheaper it is to charge your car.

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

unkel wrote: »

To add to that, most EVs need 6A charging at the very minimum. So the Zappi only works for charging your car if you are overproducing at least 1.4kW over and above your household base load. So realistically you need a minimum of 6 or 7 PV panels (and a very small household base load), or your car won't charge at all on PV

If you have fewer PV panels at the moment, but plan to install more in future, then for sure the Zappi should be considered.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.



So if you had a 1.8kW system and you load is 0.5 then the Zappi would be useless as it wouldnt have enought to charge car?

As Denis said it will draw the shortfall from the grid so it will charge fine with less than 1.4kW excess solar.

You can also set it to only charge from excess solar in which case you would need 1.4kW excess but that’s a mode you pick rather than default behavior.

n97 mini

unkel wrote: »

And for anyone wondering why he would charge €200 for a very simple job - this probably includes a few meters of 6mm2 T&E cable (€25), some ducting (€25) and a 40A RCBO (€35), so not an awful lot more than €100 for his time. Which is about right for a call out fee plus maybe 1.5h work or so for a simple install

Ducting not required if the cable run is all internal. In my case it's internal and comes out through the wall into the back of an external junction box to which the CP is connected (came with its own short duct). The 6mm2 cable is cheap enough too... less that a fiver a metre.

gunnerfitzy

Untethered Zappi is expected to be for sale in the coming months if you really interested in the Zappi but would like to go untethered.

From MyEnergi FAQ:

Will you be developing an untethered zappi unit?
Yes, we’re releasing our socketed version zappi in October/Nov 2018.

https://myenergi.uk/faqs/