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"Nobody cares about Covid anymore"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,103 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    They seem happy hence they replaying all the classics from 2020.

    Ironic how its the same bunch that kept banging on about "getting on with life" that are clinging onto the exact posts they made weekly the last two years.

    I thought that lot had moved on when the restrictions thread/covid area went quiet but nope, still stuck in the past unable to "get on with life" themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Like I said, this ranting has nothing to do with Covid. It's the bitter spite of people who have lost their way in the world and want it to be someone else's fault. We managed the pandemic very well, but people like you simply would not be happy, regardless of what we had done - because your discontent is not related to Covid.

    Yes, we have high inflation. The UK took a much more cavalier approach to Covid and their inflation is even higher. Your mates in Sweden, the guys whose Covid policies we should have been copying? Inflation running at 10.9%, higher than ours.

    So, you explain to me how inflation is linked to Covid policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Well its important that we discuss and learn from the pandemic for future pandemics.

    It's ironic the lads who were obsessed with covid now want to move on instead of discussing the the decisions made during covid.

    I would assume because some of them now realise how many stupid rules they cheered on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,380 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I care for it like any other illness. Don't want it will protect myself as I do for the rest. When I get it I stay away from people so I don't give it to them.

    Take the latest flu froend of mine got it over it quickly others i know stuck to the bed for days if not longer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,062 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I agree with the proposal in your first paragraph.

    Please let me know when the discussion focused on learning for the future starts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,380 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Your forgetting a pesky war but we can't have anything taking blame away from Covid now can we. Yes Covid had some cause due to moneybprinting and disruption in goods but to but it all down to Covis is embarrassing and I sayeven your own border collie knows that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Jesus, it's like whack-a-mole.

    One minute, you're giving out about the Irish government "muzzling kids", then it's the quantitative easing of central banks (nothing to do with Irish government btw), then you're having a go at Ukrainian refugees.

    Do you see where I'm coming from in saying that this conversation reflects a much deeper issue among a small minority of people?

    And what we saw during Covid was people like you being manipulated and whipped up by very unsavoury people, and tbh that's what bothers me most, where this will lead us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    This is Ireland where we don't do lessons learned or hold people accountable for decisions.

    We made a lot of mistakes during covid and also some good decisions.

    We should try learn from mistakes for future pandemics.

    But the government and the pro covid restrictions crowd want to move on instead of discussing and learning from mistakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,016 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The virus spreads via closer contact. You are standing beside someone in a room, they are breathing out aerosols and droplets, you breathe those in, you get infected. The more you breathe in, the higher the viral load. This is why fit and healthy doctors and medical staff were dying of Covid, 10's of thousands of them around the world, because they took a heavy viral load being around infected people all the time.

    One way to reduce the spread is for people to wear a mask. It can still spread, but on a population level it results in a reduction. Unfortunately Covid (and it's mutations) were very infectious, so masks simply weren't enough. Next obvious step, social distancing. However when cases were rising exponentially, the final solution was temporary/partial lockdowns, stopping people congregating in offices, pubs, schools, etc.

    It's not complicated, no one has to pretend to ask a million questions about it, it's relatively straight forward (children understand it)

    It's the reason why seasonal flu took a huge dip - all these Covid measures work for any similar airborne infectious disease.

    As for Sweden, in the first year, they famously didn't exercise mandates, let people do as they pleased, it's a socially responsible country, people wore masks and socially distanced however the data shows they had many more deaths than their neighbours. They later implemented rules/mandates.





  • On the deaths part alone, stats for N. Ireland show there were 4845 Covid deaths in the 2.5 years between Mar 20 and Aug 22, adjusted to 3662 for excess deaths.

    https://www.nisra.gov.uk/sites/nisra.gov.uk/files/publications/Press%20Notice%20-%20excess%20deaths%20and%20Covid-19%20-%20August%202022.pdf

    By contrast, stats show there were 3720 people killed by the troubles in the 30 years between 1969 and 1998.

    https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/victims/docs/group/htr/day_of_reflection/htr_0607c.pdf

    If you can't see that Covid was more than just another disease and fully deserved the measures that were put in place to minimise the death count, then I'm afraid it's just a case of "there are none so blind as those that will not see".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,016 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Little bit of projection going on there I think. Yeah I saw the placards at the anti-mask and anti-lockdown rallies, all this "tyranny" and end of the world stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,503 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The question was having to talk kids into doing things. In that its entirely the same.

    Give up with the strawmen, they fool no one other than yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Covid was a contributing factor in killing a lot of sick people who were going to die unfortunately anyway.

    Sustained periods of needless lockdowns will cause excess deaths with people with mental health issues and people who missed cancer screenings.

    These people will be younger who are most likely raising young families.

    Covid was not a deadly killer for younger people.

    Sustained periods of needless lockdowns is and will continue to be.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I see you’re someone smug in their ignorance , some folks are just unteachable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Inflation was well dug in several months before Vlad popped over to his neighbours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,016 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Sweden had around 9000 deaths in 2020 due as a result of Covid, Norway was 414 (the pop. in Sweden is roughly around double that of Norway)

    That said, both countries overall were relatively lower than European averages. These are relatively advanced countries, high education, socially responsible, spread out population, etc.

    There's no debate that lockdowns reduce cases, of course they do. It's the economic damage that is the debate. Is it worth it? A majority of people in European countries supported the temporary lockdowns. Money can be borrowed, but lives can't.

    A number of posters in this thread have made shocking comments that they don't care if "old" people die from Covid because apparently they were all on death's door anyway, which is of course nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,016 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yes, those deaths are unrelated.

    The vaccine makers are people like you and me, they are making the vaccines knowing that their families, relatives, friends, colleagues will be taking them. The doctors and regulators and professionals don't want to die either, so they are testing the safety of the vaccines rigorously.

    There's a group of highly paranoid people on the internet who use social media to brainwash you into thinking vaccines are dangerous because that's their agenda. Another group desperately wants you to think the world is flat. Another group wants you go think 911 was an inside job and so on. They prey on people like you.

    So wake up and think for yourself. Lecture over :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,380 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Not to the Level it is now and I acknowledged Covid did and why



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,812 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    not they haven't they feel that locking up your older neighbours/aunt/mother/father/grandmother for the last 2 years of their lives when they die of other cause in 2022 was a waste of the last 2 years of their lives.

    Two of my relatives died this year.

    My Grandmother thankfully had my mother and my father and their family coming to see them, but in general the rest of the family stayed away. She ask about what was happening but for 2 years with the exception of 2 other cousins she saw very little of anyone else, in fear of covid.

    My other relative had retired had started travelling with her sisters, and you know I expected after 2 years they'd be back travelling this summer but her cancer returned and the travels that she could have had disappeared over those 2 years.

    I'd go back to that woman of 80 in England who at the start of the pandemic called that out for what it was.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-barnsley-pensioner-bbc-anti-lockdown-viral-b1221765.html


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    But kids weren't talked into doing anything, they were forced into doing it.

    You agree with that which is fine, I just believe kids development is more important than making others feel safer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Actually more to the level , cost of building materials, used cars and many other items have pulled back in past few months, oil is below where it was the day Russia invaded



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I know a few people who got the “milder” version earlier this year- all fine in that no major affects- roll on 7 months and they’ve got it again - their boosters are up to date- much more severe effects and symptoms this time around,

    Im not limiting what I do on a daily basis but if you have an underlying health condition, you may well suffer a lot more than someone healthy, even with the milder variant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Using that argument, we should all give away our wealth in order to bring up the lot of people in Africa, decisions are constantly made which choose death for many people the world over and not just old people

    covid was the first time death became unacceptable as a matter of government policy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,016 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I've missed quite a few posts here, but if this is in relation to 9 year olds wearing masks, what you are essentially saying is that you are more "concerned" about their development over a few weeks, than a huge rise in cases of an infectious disease that could bring a national health system to the brink (and the associated deaths).

    The kids could wear clear masks in school, or face visors..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    My mother is seventy four , she changed nothing about her life, her and her neighbour who is five years older, walked three miles everyday and she saw her grandkids whenever she wished



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Just waiting on Ivermectin and I'll have mad bastard bingo. Was there a quota reached in CA or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,016 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    covid was the first time death became unacceptable as a matter of government policy

    Seatbelts, speed limits, health systems, motorcycle helmets, laws against murder/manslaughter, fire service, airport security..

    Sorry but we're surrounded by policy that protect ourselves and others from death and injury.



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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's a very long winded way of saying you don't have an answer.

    There is no scientific evidence to support the vast majority of restrictions other than a feeling that they might help.

    It doesn't make a difference whether you're having a chat with someone in a pub, IKEA or the supermarket.


    We should be using data and science to guide us during a pandemic. Not just a hunch that closing the middle aisle in Lidl will save lives.



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