organic farming

JohnChadwick · 04-12-2022 08:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119954070#Comment_119954070

Spread dung. Be good to get into making stuff alright, doing compost etc.

Silverdream · 05-12-2022 09:00PM

Just got the application available on Agfood now today, I was afraid I'd miss the deadline.

Question, once I submit on agfood how long before being approved, also afaik I should be able to align my start date to Jan 1st 2023, can anyone confirm this?

minerleague · 05-12-2022 10:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961103#Comment_119961103

How long ago did you apply to organic bodies? don't think you'll know if you are in until late in 2023. start date for anyone applying now is 1 jan 2023

Rusheseverywhere · 05-12-2022 10:28PM

Takes a good few months from previous OFS I have been in, to know if accepted, guessing May 2023 or so find out. Normally you start farming organically before OFS goes live ie you need to be certified by the 01/01/23 or have applied to be certified and be faring organically. Get the cheap meal in now!! Think you used to be allowed 4 months to finish non organic meal but that was years and years ago so double check.

05-12-2022 10:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961508#Comment_119961508

I think meal has to be gone before Jan 1, but fodder can be fed "into next April depending on supply and weather" according to a response I got

Packrat · 05-12-2022 11:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961522#Comment_119961522

Meal gone from the day you apply (Jan 1st, not the day you submit the form)

Fodder until its finished.

As far as I remember.

cupacoffee · 06-12-2022 09:23AM

You can use gm free rations for the first 18 months of your conversion or at least you were allowed centenary thurles were doing a gm free dairy nut for the same price as conventional

clonagh · 06-12-2022 03:21PM

When do you get a payment? Do you need to have the Organic course done first?

endainoz · 06-12-2022 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963749#Comment_119963749

You have to have the course done withing a few months of applying I think. You only get payment when getting accepted into the scheme. So if you apply now, the contract would only start in 2023, and no payment until the back end of the year.

cupacoffee · 06-12-2022 07:50PM

December 2023

freekerry · 12-12-2022 05:20PM

2100 new applications for OFS plus 1000 existing organic farmers. With a 2023 budget of €37m that allows for up to an average of 12k payment each. Hopefully it is enough of a budget to get everyone in?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/flood-of-late-applications-as-organic-farmers-break-3-100-740028

Centrepassage · 14-12-2022 03:41AM

When does the scheme open again for new applicants.

minerleague · 16-12-2022 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119994357#Comment_119994357

talk was it would open every Oct for new entrants, but might depend on budget as good few joined this year

Silverdream · 16-12-2022 11:00PM

idk so much, there was a significant amount of suckler farmers entering organics this time round. I'd say it will reopen but only for Veg or Organic milk. There's already an oversupply of organic beef now.

Siamsa Sessions · 17-12-2022 11:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005557#Comment_120005557

Hard to know if supply and markets get much consideration when these schemes are announced. There was already an over-supply of organic beef before the current scheme was opened.

Govt policy now seems to be moving further away from any relationship with the market's supply/demand dynamics.

893bet · 17-12-2022 12:46PM

There is no over supply if there is a premium being paid over conventional. And there is a premium.

Sadly I think that will be eroded a bit bit for all the application I think few will go finishing due to costs involved and the majority will move conventionally.

wrangler · 17-12-2022 01:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006907#Comment_120006907

Yes There is a premium for organic beef but a lot of organic weanling cattle are sold through the conventional marts so all organic cattle do not get a premium.

Likewise with the lambs, it's only about 50% of organic lambs are getting a premium and now that there'll be more organic lambs it'll be way oversupplied now

893bet · 17-12-2022 01:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006982#Comment_120006982

The premium is at finish due to the finishing costs.

I doubt there is much of any premium for organic weanling and stores over conventional (but maybe I am wrong on that as it’s an assumption more than fact).

Two years time will be interesting when the first of the full symbols start coming through from this tranche. Realistically I see a lot continuing to sell as weanling stores conventionally and some finishing off grass at 30-36months.

Birdnuts · 17-12-2022 05:07PM

Anyone got the current address for the Irish Organic Trust?? Went to hand in an application at the address listed on their website in Naas last week, only to be told that they had moved location 2 months ago🙄

Rusheseverywhere · 17-12-2022 07:58PM

Our mailing address is:

Organic Trust

Ardsallagh

Ballymote

Sligo, Sligo F56 PP79

Ireland

Just scrolled through emails from them saw this at the bottom. No email or announcement from them of change of address. Was IOA full?

Rusheseverywhere · 17-12-2022 08:02PM

Small premium on finishing flat price bullocks and heifers. Flat price up to R plus and price includes the QA bonus. I finished cattle this year and got about 50 a head more organically. They were all R plus LM heifers.

roosterman71 · 17-12-2022 08:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120008170#Comment_120008170

Out of curiosity I went onto street view for that address/eircode. Wouldn't strike me as a place to be sending too much important personal info

893bet · 17-12-2022 08:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120008180#Comment_120008180

Shocking small premium when you consider the system cost difference if you were to try maintain output

Rusheseverywhere · 17-12-2022 09:38PM

Yeah I am confused as that is at the bottom of a generic email it might be a personal address so a mod can remove it please even though that is how all the emails are ended. Is Blue a mod also in the OT he can check and see what he thinks. An email from last month 22/11/22 uses the Kildare address.

tanko · 17-12-2022 09:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120007672#Comment_120007672

Their address and contact details are on their facebook page. Their office is in Naas.

tractorporn · 18-12-2022 12:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120008170#Comment_120008170

That is Clive Brights address he is their development officer

MIKEKC · 06-01-2023 04:20PM

Heard a discussion today about commonage and organic farming which I haven't seen discussed in the press. If a farmer enters the organic scheme can he put sheep to a commonage with sheep which are not part of the organic scheme? These other sheep would have been dipped and dosed in the normal way. Does everyone on the commonag e have to be in the scheme ? What is the situation in the burren?

893bet · 06-01-2023 05:56PM

I had my first organic inspection this week. Not too much to it as only starting out.

Happy enough. Housing and straw bedding is a slight challenge and it’s a lot more manual and “rooter” style that preferable but will try it for a year or two like I plan it and see how it goes.

Silverdream · 06-01-2023 06:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120074949#Comment_120074949

When did you join the scheme, I only signed up in November but haven't heard anything back from them yet

tanko · 06-01-2023 08:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120074949#Comment_120074949

What does the inspection involve?

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