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Incorrect clearance/VAT charges/Missing IOSS number with An Post/Addresspal ***See First Post***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    Everything is Electronic. It as simple as the carrier putting the details on the digital data.


    The digital data of parcels I dispatch to anyone - Ireland, UK, EU has vat, IOSS, weight, value, taric and description as these details are entered on our order system and transferred.

    The customer simply sees a label with their name and address.

    Once the inputting is correct there is no issue whatsoever.


    The big issue with the UK is that the local post office doesn't have the system on place and also too many people still think Ireland is linked with the UK for postal items.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭tanka006


    Hi Guys,

    Please advise me what to do here.

    I purchased some goods from the UK

    I received the bill from An Post for the import VAT as expexted

    BUT the goods were worth £126.80 & i Received a bill for the an Post bill for €110.61

    I have sent a email to eCommChargeQuery@anpost.ie back on 05/12/2022 disputing this (which i have until 27/12/2022 to do)

    I sent the invoice as well as proof of value.

    Naturally, i have received nothing since, due to Christmas.

    Any advice please as to what to do now please

    Tanka

    Post edited by whiterebel on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Moving2017


    Check the values first, it may include VAT, import Customs fees and a processing fee, they do add up.

    Also, the item cost and P&P are factored into the fees.

    If there is an error and you can prove so using the invoices etc and if you pay the bill to have the item delivered they’ll subsequently refund you (it has happened me recently), alternatively you could try phoning them, I’ve found them quite helpful.



  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They also include delivery cost as part of the valuation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭MisterKipling


    A month ago I was charged import on my own phone being sent back to me from UK as I'd left it behind in my other half's house.....I submitted evidence of me buying it and I was also required to screen shot and submit text messages as evidence of me leaving it behind. I still haven't gotten a refund. They are greedy fcukers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭niallb


    Impossible to tell what the figure should be without knowing what type of goods they were and whether they were manufactured in the UK, the EU or further afield. Some items have no import duty at all, but don't buy shoes!

    This page is worth reading.


    You could contact the sender and ask them did they provide the correct documentation for Irish Customs.

    It might make it easier to persuade them to give you a refund and buy the goods from somebody who can demonstrate where they imported them from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭herrdood


    Hi,

    It looks like the cost of the goods + the transport cost put you over the €150 limit after which you pay customs duty in addition to VAT.

    The VAT @ 23% is paid on the goods + transport charges + handling fees + duty etc................


    Customs Duty

    The customs value on which Customs Duty is calculated is the cost of the goods plus:

    • transport (including postage)
    • any insurance
    • and
    • any handling charges

    to deliver the goods to the EU.

    The rate of Customs Duty that applies depends on the goods you import. You can find all the rates in the TARIC database.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭tanka006


    Hi All,


    Thank you for all the comments.

    The goods were clothes, sweatshirts, jumpers etc. from a UK company called wierdfish.

    The total cost mentioned included delivery to me.

    Could anyone give me the phone number to call please

    Thank you

    Tanka



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭Sappy404


    You're not paying An Post here, you're paying the revenue. An Post act on your behalf when you pay this fee. Perhaps there is a way to do it through revenue.ie?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭MisterKipling


    You're also paying an anPost handling fee !!



  • Registered Users Posts: 47 xPrePF7z4jLy7M


    Revenue bat it back to An Post as their agent, they won't talk to you. The whole setup is a forking disgrace and nothing will be done about it until it affects a TD or angry media type directly.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    The collection of duties and VAT on items sent through the postal services is operated the exact same way throughout the EU/EEA/CH so it is not going to change TD or not.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    The authorities are not obligated to accept an invoice as proof of valuation, so that is the starting point. Did they accept the exporters valuation or did they place a higher value on the items. Next what did they include in the taxable amount, then did they apply the correct rates and finally what admin and handling charges did they add. You’ll need to understand this in order to know if they are right or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭omega42


    Perhaps the company you bought it from has said the value is more than what u paid for it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Moving2017


    On the a Post website when you go to pay the fee it will give you a breakdown of what you’re being charged.

    Such as:

    Import Duty = €x

    Excise Duty = €x

    VAT = €x

    An Post Fee = €3.50

    Total = €x

    Adult clothes are subject to the standard VAT rate (23%)

    The £ cost will also be converted to € for the purpose of calculating the fee.

    an post customer service could also give this to you to check the maths on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Example 4 here might help you calculate if the charges are correct.

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs/individuals/buying-online-personal/outside-eu.aspx



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Lord Spence


    I'm still trying to figure out where the bargain is in this one :-)



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Duty doesn't take transport etc into account. That only happens calculating VAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,219 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    €3.50. By far the least charged by any carrier.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,923 ✭✭✭✭mailburner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    They can also make a decision on value by opening the packages and taking a look.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    my guess is that no delivery fee was actually stated by the sender (they should know that they have to show the costs even if the offer "free" delivery)


    Therefore An Post have to use a standard delivery rate and airmail from the UK is expensive.



    the fault is likely entirely with the sender who can't follow quite basic instructions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,923 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    dph@revenue.ie

    I bought stuff from the states 2 years ago and got charged 75 euro duty on a package which cost me $120 but the customs value was 184 eu.

    I do think they tend to put the original price value on packages rather than the sale price you got them at which can be frustrating.

    I had to email them proof of payment from paypal and receipts for all the goods I bought and eventually got almost half it back (31)

    It took 5 weeks



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭bitent


    This is exactly why I never order from UK anymore. There used to be done great bargains to be had. Not anymore sadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,219 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Loads of bargains still from the UK. Just buy from experienced sellers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Chalk it down to experience. Avoid ordering from UK unless retailer knows what they’re doing and costs are covered in advance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭bitent


    It's either they charge you the import duty themselves or you pay it to revenue. Either way it has eliminated the bargain prices for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,219 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Depends on what you're buying and much has no import duty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    It is common knowledge that An Post are absolute scumbags

    Source: https://ie.trustpilot.com/review/www.anpost.ie

    They charge whatever they want and there is no negotiating with them. In addition to all the things mentioned above that is included in the "value", they also wrongfully include UK VAT. It even says on the revenue website that VAT should not be included in the value of an item:

    • any duty or other tax (excluding VAT) payable

    When making this very clear to them through the ecommschargequery email, they just say "No, UK VAT is included in the value"

    I'm owed over 500euro and am looking into taking a small claims action against them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,219 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    That's laughable. An Post are only collecting what Revenue tell them is due. The only amount they have any part in setting is the Admin charge of €3.50, which is less than any other courier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Revenue provide the parameters to follow, An Post are supposed to apply these and take what is owed. An Post are misinformed about the parameters and in addition are horrid to deal with. Simple as that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    If you've paid UK VAT on something fom a UK seller then your problem is with the UK seller - they should not have carged UK VAT on an export sale. You need to chase up either the UK seller or HMRC to reclam the UK VAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    I agree. But my problem is that I returned the item and the UK seller refunded the cost of item+ UK VAT but now I need to get a refund of the Irish VAT through An Post who have no interest in sorting out the problem.

    Also, despite it being incorrect that the seller applies UK VAT, An Post should not be including it in their valuation, but they do regardless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭Commoner


    What a nightmare situation! I would not accept delivery and just let it be returned to the UK but only if you are sure you can get a refund. You will need to read the return policy of the seller whether it covers returned items or items that were not accepted on delivery. One way you could hypothetically try this is to anonymously set up a different email account under another alias. Then email the seller and put the question to them that someone you know was unexpectedly in hospital having priorly ordered an item from the seller but couldn't take delivery due to hospitalization/or whatever and if it would be possible to get a refund.  

    Now you see how all of the mainstream political parties here have shafted Irish consumers by their protectionist EU-dictated trade policies even though taxation is supposed to be a national competence! If that was me, I would do two things at the next election (1) I would Vote, and (2) I would in future try and order using a NI address and have it collected/posted on. If Apple can avoid paying €13 Billion Tax here, I don't see why the shortfall should be made up by hitting our own consumers with parcel import taxes. I am glad you highlighted your case here. The more the public sees cases like yours on social media, the more it might bring about change. This has nothing to do with Brexit but more to do with EU protectionist trade policies that impose an external wall of tariffs on parcel imports to try an punish Britain for voting democratically to leave the European Union in the hope that other Countries won't follow them out of the EU.   



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Has anyone ever heard back from an post about the mental charges? I got one email back, told to pay ludicrous charges and no more..I have sent over 30 emails to various an post email addresses over the past few months, all ignored, no package and it didn't go back to the sender.

    FYI I got car mats from the UK for £25 and they sent me a VAT bill of £205. Hence why I didn't pay. But Im extremely annoyed that they stole my item from me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    Were these items on sale when you bought them?

    They calculate VAT on the full retail value not the sale price. I've gotten stung by this before. If they opened your package and saw tops with a label showing full retail price that is what they'd use to assess the amount of VAT and duty(if it came to over 150) due.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    I ordered a really nice Stanley trolley back in October. Amazon said it was held in customs as they need more info. Rang up customs and they said that they assigned the wrong code to it hence the delay. Still no sign of it after nearly 8 weeks.


    I guarantee you someone took a fancy to it and helped themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Sounds about right. The email I got from an post said my item was NIKE trainers, I emailed them back to say open the package, it's car mats...

    Someone is definitely pulling a stroke.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,219 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Most likely incorrect product code on the import documents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭sue97


    No use to op but consider using someone like https://www.facebook.com/borderparcelmotel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Just what the customer wants a courier company that can't even afford its own domain name and email address. bpmbelcoo@gmail.com LOL.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,477 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So get the seller to refund you. It's their responsibility to get the goods to you and that includes making customs declarations correctly. If no joy then charge back.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,477 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Last paragraph is the usual populist rubbish and of course totally wrong.

    VAT is not a national competency. That's because we entered a Single Market 30 years ago and have benefited greatly as a nation from this.

    Protectionist? Every trade bloc is protectionist. The US is protectionist. The UK is protectionist. Free trade is for those inside not outside - unless deals are done - which the UK refuses to do.

    The Apple tax money does not exist. It was never due. The import taxes applied here to non-EU imports are the same as in any EU country.

    Of course it's about Brexit. It's entirely to do with Brexit. UK left so companies there no longer enjoy tax/duty-free trade with the EU. That's their tough titties.

    Nobody is punishing the UK they chose to punish themselves. They could have left the EU while maintaining free trade but they refused, a hard Brexit is what the Tories wanted and it's what they've got.

    The only thing stopping other countries from leaving the EU is observing the sheer stupidity of it. Massive self-inflicted damage to the UK economy with no benefits at all. Not one.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    You need to look at the examples on the site you took that information from. It is only where the instrinsic value is over €150, that customs duty applies, and many items are zero rated even over €150. Where it is under €150 it is always zero rated for customs. When everthing is added up, the final amount for VAT can be over €150, but that never attract customs duty if the instrinsic value is under €150.

    Also the clearance fee (€10 in the examples), does not attract VAT. The information you copied seems to contradict that.

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs/individuals/buying-online-personal/outside-eu.aspx#:~:text=If%20your%20goods%20have%20an,the%20above%20duties%20where%20applicable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭sue97


    You don’t have to use them if you don’t want. I have used them three times and found them good. I struggled to find an alternative to parcel motel and this is one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    It's not anpost's job to refund customs/vat when you are sending something back to a non EU country.


    And when you look at the issues, virtually every single issue is a fault of the sender.


    You need to realise that UK small sellers understanding of customs is unbelievably dreadful.


    Many still think Ireland and Britain are the same. You really are dealing with people who simply cannot understand fairly basic instructions - and they are very basic.


    Then you blame anpost?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭oneweb


    I've found that a guestimate is often used to calculate a charge where the seller hasn't provided the value on the postage label.

    "If your retailer is availing of the ‘Import One Stop Shop’ (IOSS) scheme, they must supply a valid IOSS number in the correct data field. 

    Unfortunately, the sender of your item did not include a valid IOSS number / details on the electronic information we received from the sender. 

    An Post is not in a position to amend this declaration and you will need to pay the current charge before contacting your retailer in relation to this matter. "


    If you think you've been charged incorrectly, you'll need a screenshot of your order confirmation attached to an email with the customs reference and tracking number in the subject (apparently this automatically puts your package on hold while it's investigated... it now takes weeks to process, and sending multiple emails relating to the same package will put it back at the end of the queue). Give them as much detail as you can - don't forget the individual people replying aren't the ones who slapped you with the charges.

    Dublin Mail Centre's Customs Charge Unit (Revenue) - eCommChargeQuery {ash} anpost.ie


    In most cases, though, it's better to contact the seller and tell them you've been charged for import. If they care about customers they might refund the charge or offer some sort of goodwill gesture.


    I've pretty much stopped buying from outside Europe unless the customs charge would still bring the total cost below what I'd pay here - it's no longer a miniscule chance that something will be slapped with a charge, it's now a guarantee.

    It is what it's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭anonanymore


    What happens to the item if one decides it's not worth paying the VAT and charge?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Moved to Consumer Issues as this isn't a BA



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