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World Cup 2022 - Team and Match Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,376 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Ah yeah. That's right. Was still in Brazil at the time IIRC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,396 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    A long held Brazilian tradition of bringing an uncapped kid to a World Cup. Kaka has a 2002 medal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Tony Cascarino wondered whether Trent should have being brought on for FK’s and crosses. I think he said England had about 10 crosses at the end of the game. Lloris claimed all of them.


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Yeah Southgate doesn’t change things enough and is reactive rather than proactive. He has the squad if he wanted to make changes.

    LVG for Holland is always thinking of tweaks and changes in contrast to Southgate.

    I would say Southgate is a great fella for the man management. But would be tactically inflexible.

    The Japanese are another crowd that showed tactically flexibility. I found a video here which describes how it helped Japan beat Germany and Spain.


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    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I would imagine the organisers are quietly relieved that a England v Argentina final has been avoided. Security for that would have been a nightmare I reckon.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Well if Iran v USA could pass off with no tension spilling over between opposing fans. You would have hoped Argentina v England would have went OK.

    I wouldn’t have put it past Morocco beating England though.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I don’t get this logic on tactics. What is moroccos secret tactical master plan? Their manager only had 3 months with them and he’s just made them very organised, nothing overly complicated or tactically special.

    I think unless you are next level manager , which very few are , then having solid man management skills, an organised, hard working team is the best best traits to have. Croatia and Morocco have shown that, dong think either of their managers will be managing one of Europe’s elite clubs anytime soon.

    Argentina dont actually look that good at all , I would of put a bet on England had they won last night. I think last nights game is as good a game as we will get in terms of teams of similar quality matching up and England looked comfortable playing France at a high level.

    Man management is probably the most important aspect of being a manager. I’ve seen far better (on paper) English managers make a mess of very talented teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Deub


    That’s one point of view. Another one could be: maybe the English players shouldn’t have rolled on the floor at every occasion they could. It didn’t contribute to the referee trusting them. how many times they fell in the box during the match?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    France’s tactics look extremely inflexible. Griezmann the only one who is allowed to float.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    American soccer fans aren't exactly "die hards" and we saw how liberal the Iran fans were.

    Argentina v England is a different tension entirely, just look at the Top Gear Patagonia incident a few years ago.

    Mind, as you said, Morocco won't be pushovers either having conquered 99% of Iberia. (Damn you Gibraltar)

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭pavb2


    I think it’s more to do with Southgate’s footballing philosophy, he sacrifices creativity for a cautious, pragmatic approach which in the first instance sets out not to lose rather than take the initiative and believe That you will win.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,396 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The Macaulay Culkin impersonations from the English players was embarrassing.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    They didn’t boss the midfield. They stopped the French midfield playing and created nothing. That isn’t bossing the midfield IMO. 2 units playing sideways and backwards passes.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Posts: 14,734 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I mean if thats what you saw there aint any discussion to be had here, have fun living in that world though.

    Also im talking about instances at the start of the game and you are taking things later in the game and trying to apply them to early game which is again different reality kinda thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Deub


    What I saw is an English team that created more goal opportunities than France but weren’t able to score them. In contrast, France managed to convert them.

    For me, all these talks about the referee that should have awarded even more opportunities with free kicks (Saka) or penalty (Kane) is just an excuse. If England had the scoring ratio of France yesterday, they would have had 4 goals and there wouldn’t any discussions about the referee. I think that’s the missing piece for England.



  • Posts: 14,734 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And all i said was its easy to be annoyed with a ref given how the first french goal played out and the close penlaty decision soon after. That first goal is massive in a tight game, id be annoyed if it happened a team i support as would near everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Thats Deschamps, the guy will never learn it seems.

    France started well and once they scored they just sat back and invited England on, but didnt commit many players forward when they did break.

    He is a negative manager, cost them in the final in 2016 and also last year in the Euros.

    Of the 4 teams left, all of them are pretty defensive sides, France have the most offensive threat though if Deschamps lets them use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its a poor reflection on the quality of the World Cup overall if Griezmann is considered player of the tournament.

    The guy has been atrocious at club level for over 3 years, really gone backwards as a player.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    You would have to agree the game has evolved to when Maradona played so would he do so well in this cup?

    Could also flip the coin and say would Messi have done so well in Maradona's time when tackles,referring, the game plan etc was way more straight forward.

    Not sure if serious ?

    The game has evolved in what way ?

    Messi would have had the daylights kicked out of him in the 80's and 90's, the punishment Maradona took was ferocious.

    In some games the opposition took turns at kicking him for 90 minutes.

    Here is a brief clip of some of the abuse he was subjected to





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,396 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Or a poor reflection of the terrible tactics at Atleti. His transfer situation is also a joke with him banned from playing full games for ages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    He was at Barcelona for 2 years and was pretty poor.

    I know he was played out of position but his performances were pretty shocking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Deub


    And I think it would be an excuse to avoid talking about a weakness in the English team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,379 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    How have Argentina so much support at this World Cup ?

    Their currency the Peso has halved vs the euro and dollar in the last year.

    Is it mosyty just locals wearing Argentina jerseys or have huge numbers travelled to Qatar ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Um not convinced that's a foul on Saka at all. Itv showed one replay after of it, and it was six of one/half dozen of the other at best, Saka likes falling if you ask me.

    My opinion of it is that the refs in the EPL have teams spoiled. Penalties are handed out very easily, and the likes of Saka and Kane have enhanced their numbers by buying frees and penalties from compliant referees.

    The World Cup, and often the Champions League refs, have a higher bar for the fouls, and England didn't adapt.

    Like I said last night, someone has to take the blame, this time it's the ref.



  • Posts: 14,734 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    England got 2 penalties and would have had a third if it was clear the first one was inside the area.

    If anyone was failing to adapt to referees it would very much have been the french. Unless you think giving away penos is a good idea.

    I don't know if you watched all the quarter finals but the standard of reffing in 3 of them was poor to very poor. But also what constituted a free in all those games was very varied, so how would one even adapt to that if the individual refs are so far apart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    am i allowed post the sport relief that kane did with johnny wilkinson?

    its basically about JW telling kane he won a world cup by kicking the ball over the bar, and kane takes it on board. seems apt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,593 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    A poster got there before you a few pages back. And it was left there. obviously the mod has a sense of humour after all! Technically it is discussing an event, related to an event in a match.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    And could have had a fourth if there were any handballs. Maybe a fifth if someone was blatantly kicked. A sixth for a rugby tackle possibly. Did you see what I did there.



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