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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    MiG 21 goes by the name flying coffin in India,that still uses them,for a reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    I have spent my life working in conflict areas. I have literally watched children dying in front of me from starvation, visited with former child soldiers who at 8 years old had their chest cut open and cocaine forced into them so they would kill, I have talked with people in sierra leon who have no arms because rebels cut them off and gave them a "short sleeve" because they voted, during the conflict in Bosnia I stood in disbelief staring at a soccer field turned into a cemetery so many people were killed so fast they had nowhere else to bury them, I have smelled the burnt flesh of people tortured by rebels, I remember photographing the aftermath of the genocide in Rwanda… that and Bosnia comes the closest to the feelings I have when I see what is happening in Ukraine, but Ukraine goes beyond any thing I have witnessed. What I do not understand about Ukraine is how the world is watching. We are not doing nothing, but we are not doing enough to stop the targeted and systematic torture and killing of civilians at a level I have never seen in my lifetime. It is pure criminal and barbaric behavior.

    We are partially participating which allows this carnage to continue. And people conveniently forget our promises to Ukraine in the 1990's. - Howard Buffet


    There is an American who sees the US limited assistance in the same way I do - nothing like enough or what their moral obligation calls for, given the Budapest memorandum swindle that made this war possible in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,687 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Not quite accurate. Vacuum tubes were all they had (and these weren't grandpas vacuum tubes, they were milspec steel ones.) Turns out, they in fact were resistant to radar jamming and EMP. More of a 'hey, this worked out great!' than they designed it for that reason.

    Best thing that came out of Belenko's trip was the plane was no longer secret and USSR could sell them. BTW, the US dissected the plane, boxed it up and sent it back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Replacing a barrel is maintenance. Due to the sheer volume of shells being fired the barrel has to be replaced.

    It's not being replaced because they are 'table scraps' as you put it.

    Ukraine have been given pretty modern western artillery, a lot more modern than the Soviet era equipment they were using.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,628 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They either dont want the Russians to get their hands on any of the latest and greatest western weaponry, or they dont have sufficient supplies/production capacity to replenish their own arsenal quick enough.

    Why else would they hold back from supplying weapons that could weaken Ukraine? Sure for the US its like christmas, weaken russia without a single US soldier at risk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭jmreire


    He'd have no problem getting on Margarita and Solovyov's Muppeteer show......he would fit right in.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exactly,you need to change barrels on tanks,assualt rifles, Machine guns too

    Problem with artillery is that its hard to do in a warzone,you need the right facilities for it because they weigh alot and needs special tools and space for it.

    US have set it up in Poland just across the border




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Well considering the xm177 hasn't been produced for years,it's not uncommon,and the Ukrainans have been making solid progress with what they have . and are still receiving more weapons regularly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Of course they are spoofing, what would you expect from the Magarita and Solovyov Muppeteer show.? Putin mouthpieces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The M777s and HIMARS are not table scraps, but compared to A-10s, F-16s, Typhoons, AH-64s, Patriot missiles, Predator and Reaper drones - they are. And every hours hesitancy in supplying more standoff and capable systems, is costing significant numbers of Ukrainin lives.

    Some people think, 'oh isn't it nice what the US is doing for Ukraine', wheras I see it as barely enough and not nearly enough in terms of their moral obligation after hoodwinking ukraine in Budapest.

    I want these kids to have daddy come home unscathed, and not just be left with fading memories of what he was like when he still had two legs.

    More capable systems would greatly increase the chances of that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Well that's nice timing - says basically the same as I have been:

    In a 1941 speech on a Royal Navy ship, Winston Churchill directed his final comments to the US: “Give us the tools, and we will finish the job.” After a significant victory in Kherson, and standing at the gates of Crimea facing a Russian army desperately trying to shore up its ramshackle defences, Ukraine has the troops and morale to defend what it has. However, despite some western assistance, the Ukrainians lack the tools – tanks, missiles and aircraft – to retake their land and impose strategic defeat on the Russians. If the west, and especially the US, is serious about helping to protect Ukraine, decisions on stepping up military assistance need to be made now. If Ukraine is to be able to secure its future after victory – assuming that is what the west truly wants – its forces need to begin to transition to Nato-standard equipment.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/29/ukraine-tanks-west-putin-russia-churchill



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This protecting technology argument is as believable as thinking a collander is as good at holding water as a bucket.

    The Chinese hacked the US and got the complete blueprints and specs of not just the F-22, but the F-35 as well, so any time you hear how someone doesn't want secret tech falling into enemy hands, they are spoofing. The Iranians managed to hijack and land intact, an RQ-170 Sentinel drone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Russia has come to the table, will the Ukraine/EU/Nato?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Only difference is the shorter barrel and less mobility on a M777,uses a39 caliber barrel vs a polish Krab artillery,or German Panzerhaubitze 2000 that uses 52 caliber barrels for longer range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    So far they have acted just like the Nazi's in WW2 and looted every Ukrainian art gallery and museum they have encountered. That's their idea of preserving European cultural history - melting down scythian gold artifacts and turning them into bullion bars to be stored in their Swiss safety deposit boxes. I doubt a Swiss gold refinery would bat an eyelid at melting down archaeological treasures they knew had been looted from Ukraine.

    Scythian Gold.jpg

    No doubt the Hermitage and other Orc museums are about to get a swathe of new exhibits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,836 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Russia hasn't come to the table, if that is what it is demanding.

    Russia says the West's refusal to recognise "new territories" seized from Ukraine makes peace talks harder, after President Joe Biden indicated he would be ready to meet Vladimir Putin.

    Russia illegally annexed four Ukrainian regions at the end of September, without controlling any of them.

    Nine months into its invasion, it has lost more than half the land it seized.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You are confusing legitimising stealing the table, with sitting at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Even in "normal" society like we have in the west, US, Australia etc. addiction of one sort or another can be found, no matter how fine the safety net of society is. Now consider the ruthless destruction of Russian Society by Putin, which forces people into a hopeless existence, and that addiction (no matter what form it takes} will be many times worse. If that was not bad enough, add in a war situation, and the situation becomes intolerable. And that's why people seek solace in drink, drugs and suicide in Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    But all of them will require maintenance (you call them being broken).

    You started your argument about 1/3 of western supplied artillery being broken and being an issue for the Pentagon. That's still going to be the case with F16's etc.... Infact I think combat ready airframes in NATO run at just under 50%, so worse than the 66% with the artillery (and again, maintenance, not broken stuff)

    Your second point I pretty much agree with.

    I've been calling for western AA since the start. No worry about them being driven across the border into Russia like NATO's worry with western tanks (despite western self propelled artillery that has been supplied being able to do the same)

    Modern fighters, could have had Ukrainian pilots and ground crew training all this time. Ultimately Ukraine will end up with NATO supplied tanks and planes when the ear is over as they won't be using Russia for a supplier.

    I think the Abrams maybe a little tricky logistically for Ukraine, but challenger and leopards would do. Hell the US have a stockpile of Bradley's they could supply Ukraine. Again, like self propelled artillery, it's not a tank, it's an infantry vehicle.

    I've a feeling it's kinda the slow boiled frog approach, keep upping the equipment little by little to not provoke Russia. I think after all the war crimes committed, it's only Russia escalating it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Russia doesn't have to come to the table, they just have to go back to their fking country. And just in case you need clarifications, their own fking country does not include the Ukrainian territories they invaded. Only after that they can come to the table to discuss how are they going to pay for reparations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭Cordell


    To let them know that it doesn't work and we haven't changer our minds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This is doubly amusing because in the previous tweet, you had...

    "Buy Russian goods," Putin said into the microphone of the German company Bosch."

    No worries there, Vlad, we intend to.

    Personally I'm keeping my powder dry for Vlads very own yacht Scheherazade to be put up for auction, before making a bid.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭jmreire



    If you watched the BBC series" TraumaZone" (well worth watching, if you want to understand present day Russia) Communism collapsed, and so did capitalism, helped by the whole sale criminal thievery of the oligarchs. With the country bankrupt, Yeltsin called a meeting with the oligarchs, and explained the situation, asking them to at least reduce their thieving to allow the state to survive. They laughingly refused, leaving Yeltsin powerless. So, with elections coming up, Yeltsin introduced his protege Putin, and shoehorned him into the presidency. Once elected, Putin called a meeting, and again with the Oligarchs, and explained the new way business would be done. The oligarchs could continue their business as usual with one difference. A percentage of all their profits would have to handed over to Putin....or else. To show he meant business, he gave them an example of what would happen to them, he took down maybe one of the most powerful oligarchs of them all, Michael Khodorkovsky. and put him in prison for many years. So, no more argument with the new boss, let alone laughing at him as they had done with Yeltsin. After that, at least in the beginning, he channeled some money back into society, and things changed for the better for ordinary Russians. To this day, his followers say that he rescued Russia from the oligarchs. At this point, when had the oligarchs under his control, he could have taken a different path, and steered Russia into a world as rich and powerful as the best. But his greed got the better of him. And so we are as we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,435 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, it's evident in the way the country has stagnated or even gone backwards in the last two decades. Putin has done Sweet FA to improve the lot of the Russian population - but they are so brainwashed by state propaganda that rebelling against the regime is out of the question. There's more than a touch of Orwell's '1984' about it all. Most of Russia eking out a miserable existence, but state TV assuring the serfs every night that they live in the best country on the planet and are so lucky to have Putin as leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Welcome to the internet and wifi connections,

    The Chinese hacked designs they did get everything and so far their and Russian efforts they aren't in the same league as American stealth aircraft, especially with the new b21 bomber going public in a few days followed by the replacement for the f22 at a later date



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    Yes - can we please do the same thing here. Oh sorry, I forgot Irish politicians don't have any balls, just oddly named bank accounts in the Cayman islands for accepting lifestyle donations from the Orcs, like two MEPs I probably can't mention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭jmreire


    ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,089 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Putrid did manage to hang onto $100 billion for personal uses, hence him having three luxury yachts and Switzerland in his coat pocket, where all of his 3 most recent oorclings were born. Very accommodating the Swiss. Nothing quite conveys a sense of how great you think your kleptocratic empire is than giving your kids Swiss passports on their 0 birthday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Markcheese




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