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Who thinks Sean Quinn is a great businessman now?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    More pertinent is that a certain number of posters need to be brought to the glass-heart ICU because some big meaners posted some well-warranted criticism of a former party leader and still a FG figure of note Dukes.

    One of the things we've avoided in Ireland thankfully is a big regional cleavage in Irish politics like Italy or Spain. Spanners like Dukes that reek of arrogance and his fellow travelers seem content to create one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,387 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nobody gives two sh1ts about Alan Dukes ffs.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Totally agree. Those posters here that keep talking about Alan Dukes and his opinions - they are just trying to sway the conversation away from topic which is Sean Quinn.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bringing a small number of posters on here to heel is more pertinent than Dukes comments which are more important than what Quinn did. Can you see where you have got yourself to on this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Nobody is restraining you from talking about Quinn. Have at it.

    That Dukes' brain vom became the headline the next day (and the director ever came out and said it was bound to happen when he captured the interview) clearly has some users of a certain predilection reaching for the copium.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Probably in the 100s or even thousands of business men did it around the world. Not so many on the eve of a global financial crash. If he’d done it 5 years earlier he’d have probably made more onto his fortune.

    Very stupid to do it at the time he did granted. Saw himself as invincible obviously. The lack of any sort of acceptance of fault or refusal to take his medicine as well as coming across as very bitter concern me more than his initial gamble to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Would ya stop, the Healy Raes and their ilk go to is "that crowd up in Dublin". It's a smaller "cleave" as Ireland is way smaller than Spain or Italy.

    Let's have more dishonest politicians who hide their true feelings!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    As bad as the Healy Raes are, they've never came out with something as strartlingly crass and dunderheaded as "There's violence in the blood of Dubliners". And if they did, all hell would rightly break loose.

    What Dukes said was straight out of the Lega Nord / Berlusconi playbook. Utterly shambolic and not worth defending. Yet we have the usual suspects lining up to make baboons of themselves doing it.

    I'm sure it's a coincidence that Dukes and Berlusconi appear to visit the same tanning salon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 371 ✭✭bluedex


    You're very upset aren't you?

    Don't worry, there's an old saying you might have heard: "Sticks and stones..." etc.

    (looking forward to the reply already)

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,096 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The faux outrage about Dukes is funny. Chap worded it wrong is all



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Whgatever way he worded it, he has since apologised. That some users, especially those with SF leanings are expressing outrage at the comments pretty much confirms that they are just doing it for political caital and not because they are taking deep offence at what some gobshite former politician from Kildare thinks. Some posters even think that Dukes comments will be reason to vote for other parties in the next election (one should vote for policies not because of what was said by someone who hasn't been politically active in a few decades).

    That they are not taking the same offence at Quinn or the hired thugs and are willing to derail this thread speaks volumes about their intentions. Most normal people don't give a crap at what Dukes said!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    What outrage?

    Posters have called it what it was, a cack-handed, unbecoming and insulting commentary on a region of the country from a man oozing arrogance.

    The back and forth is stems from brittle-hearted posters that are consistent defenders of FG manning the barricades from dawn to defend Dukes when it was always obvious he'd have to eat crow and apologise.

    I know they were looking forward to a day of trying to pin the goings on with Quinn on SF or something (despite there being zero evidence of it), and they ended having boils on their ar*e because Dukes took the headlines of the day.

    It's rather humourous if anything.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Dude you’ve mentioned Alan Dukes about a hundred times since yesterday. No one cares about what he said, and it’s as apparent as the mole on his face that you’re using it in an extremely poor attempt to deflect. It ain’t working my friend. Quinn is the story here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Post away about Quinn dude. No one is stopping you homeslice.

    My opinion on Quinn is there only a few pages back if you want to inspect it and there's no deflection, Broseph.

    I know yesterday was a tough one for ye seeing a grandee making baboons of the FG online defence front scrambling to defend something that was always going to result in an apology.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,264 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Your outrage.

    Jaysus he is a retired aul buck from a bygone era, but he brook no **** when responsible for dealing with Quinn and his family. As I said, the problem with what he said wasn’t that he was wrong, it’s that he gave the likes of you a platform to build an “us against the establishment” defence for the actions of Quinn and his henchmen.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nah, not really. Couldn’t give a toss what he said tbh. You’re the one who can’t let it go, and have wasted your own time and that of others attempting to make it “a thing”.

    Much more interesting is who the paymaster is, why they hired a shower of thugs to intimidate the local community, and if it’s part of a wider pattern up there where former “activists” still get to call the shots and use their status to silence people. And if the Quinn family have managed to squirrel away large sums of money that is owed to this State and its people. Or how a pretty shambolic betting platform like Quinnbet is so profitable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Ah but dudebro, it was "a thing". And it had nothing to do with a poster on boards. Dukes took the headlines all day yesterday. And most supporters of a certain governing party had the good sense not to make fools of themselves defending it, at least not without the cover of messageboard anonymity anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    And Google brings up lots of evidence to back up this perception of lawbreaking. For diesel laundering, ATM excavation, murder of Gardai, rape, drink driving, puppy farming and more - border people/counties, (especially Monaghan and Louth) rate "highly". 39 migrants dead in the back of a truck in Essex? Surprise surprise, it's a Monaghan haulier and an Armagh driver.

    Re: Gardai, in the last 20 years, excluding accidents, 7 Gardai have been killed. 2 in Louth, 2 in Donegal, 2 in Dublin, 1 in Roscommon.

    As for people in border counties being offended at Dukes' comments, some would likely agree with him e.g. people in east Cavan, many of whom regard west Cavan and all of Monaghan as bandit country.

    If the border was in a different location then whatever area was adjacent to it would be notorious for criminality. Dukes was off with his terminology - instead of saying violence is in the blood of border people (implying a genetic factor), it would be more accurate to say that there is a culture of violence and criminality in the border region.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,264 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    But the difference is that Boris would be wrong, whereas Dukes was substantially right, criminality along the border has been recognised for years and that part of the country would be known for its support of nationalist actions, in all its forms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,624 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Might get a “reprieve” later on when Mary Lou is on the Late Late Show. The thread over in the TV forum should keep them busy.

    Actually feel a bit sorry for the rage junkies who “get off” on hating Ryan Tubridy, if the troops are mobilised they won’t be able to get a word in.

    Wonder will Quinn’s, suspected, links to provos come up during that interview. Or the Hutch trial with, former, SF councillor Dowdall a key figure, or SF’s dislike of the special criminal court?

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭Kiwi John


    You are the one down a cul_de_sac,and you are not being humourous.

    Dukes has been out of politics for so long now no one under 50 would even know what party he was in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    And you wonder why Dukes got himself into bother.

    Like I said, walk into an office in any border town and repeat what you just posted, jot down the response and report back to us.

    Sub-Lega Nord sh*te.

    Genuine question, when can we expect to see "Border county Ireland is a criminal region" on a FG manifesto? Because under the cover of anonymity and in the privacy of their own skulls, many apparent supporters are holding firm to that sentiment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Truly outstanding.

    Is there an award for tone-deafness to be handed out?

    I'm not from the border region, so honestly I'm unmoved. But, I do have an honest question for you, would you genuinely have the stones to repeat all of that outside of mass to a small crowd in a border town or village, and away from the cover of anonymity of boards? Genuine question.

    The difference between what I post and what you just submitted there is that I'm generally always happy to repeat what I post on whatever topic in real life. There's no way you'd have the guts to, because you'd be immediately scarlet for yourself and you know it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Dick Bergin plays a cynical detective who has been transferred to the Cavan border to investigate the disappearance of a load of cigarettes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,264 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Ironically I’m probably more likely to be beaten up for saying it there than anywhere else in the country, which would kinda support Dukes’s point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Doesn't matter what part of the country you said that about in public, you'd be taking the risk of getting lamped from Malin Head to Mizen Head and everywhere inbetween if you gathered a crowd and uttered that scutter about them truth be told.

    And that's rather the point, which you will of course miss.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,264 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    You might think I would at risk of violence for saying that, by virtue of your upbringing, but the fact is that most civilised people don’t resort to violence, and don’t think they would be the victim of violence for saying what Dukes did, the fact that you think that way just validates Dukes’s viewpoint.

    You are an angry kitten.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    You're a sheltered individual indeed if you think you could enter any pub in the land, call for attention, and repeat what you said about the town/region/county and not run the risk of getting duffed in the head. That's life I'm afraid. And it holds true in every townland in the country.

    Most civilised people don't paint broad strokes about regions and try to pin a culture of criminality on a swathe of the population. Again, a point that will be lost on you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,181 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Jesus @Yurt2 , we get it: you hate Fine Gael. Your point is made, you can give it a rest now.

    No need to be torn. Sean Quinn destroyed his own legacy. If he'd had the common decency to admit to his mistakes, comply with the courts in his bankruptcy proceedings, pay back what he could of his debts and gratefully accept the advisor position the management team offered him he'd be a happier man and no doubt Kevin Lunney's kids wouldn't have to endure nightmares about their daddy being tortured.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,264 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    You said “office” not pub. Every pub will have a few hard chaws who think they are defenders of the local parish, in most pubs, despite what you think, the person saying it would be laughed at or told to get out ta f**k, rather than beaten up,

    Its in the breeding you see, most civilised people don’t think of violence, again, you are proving Dukes’s point by thinking that way.



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