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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I know a number of Elder people who don't miss Pat Kenny, they've not switched, can't imagine them switching for Joe. I think they'd be happy with Katie Hannon on Liveline. RTÉ Radio 1 isn't just a slot it a place many older people don't move from.

    Agree with you on Jerry Ryan and Gay Byrne, people would have switched for both of them had they made the move.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    They wouldn't be able to understand Duffy in other countries-his accent is way too strong.

    As for Tubridy.... tried selling him to England, they didn't want him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Here's a mental idea -

    Send one RTE crew to the event/press conference. That crew do what they have to do. Then, they send RTE Radio 1 a copy of the audio recording which Radio 1 use for their programmes. The main crew also send a copy of the video and audio to Nuacht TG4 and they translate the audio to Irish in the studio.

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    The only problem with that plan (as far as RTE are concerned) is that it might save some money and that's just not the RTE way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    AFAIK they do this quite a bit.

    There was an issue that Nuacht was becoming more and more just a translation service.

    IMO It should work like this

    TG4 and RnaG correspondence should be one in the same, on bigger issues should as Political correspondent, Health, Education and so on.

    AFAIK RTÉ Radio and TV in English already do this this but have more correspondents.

    While local correspondents should come from both and share, e.g. Nuacht should be able to take care of the west of the country, while the English language service should be able to take care of the east.

    News and Nuacht should share stories, Nuacht that are exclusive to RnaG/TG4 seem not to get a translation into English for the English service were almost all News is translated to Irish.

    But with that said many correspondents will disappear for months on end. Emma O'Kelly's time in Education seems only dedicated to Start of Schools and the state exams and the union conferences. It begs the question does education require a correspondent and could she also take on another role such as Education, Children and Youth Affairs.

    Also I often think those microphones are for show

    There was a time that they would be surrounded by every National broadcaster and every Dublin Radio Station.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The last board meeting of the year, and Moya Doherty's last. Always coninsides with the Toy Show, to show the hard work of RTÉ!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    How out of touch are RTE with the average person? EXTREMELY I would say...


    Hard done-by business man Sean Quinn gets to put his side of the story across in a new 3-part documentary.

    "Told mainly in Seán Quinn’s own words, this series reveals an enigmatic and divisive character; someone who amassed an unimaginable fortune and then watched it disappear. It is a story about money and power, what it takes to amass them, and the battle to keep hold of them."


    Showing in parallel to the entrepreneurial rollercoaster above... Housing crisis? What housing crisis? How dare you accuse RTE of being TONE DEAF!!!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Both those programmes will have huge audiences.

    I think you misjudge e we ho the average person is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    On Monday, RTE are showing a program on 'how to sell Ireland's most expensive homes'... so yes, the RTE management are out of touch.

    I mean, people are losing their homes, facing crazy bills, but okay... show a TV show about expensive houses. Can't wait for the advertisers to demand their money back over that crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Unlikely that the property programme will have "huge" audiences. It's going to air on RTÉ2 a channel devoid of any other Irish programming and a channel with so many international programmes it doesn't know what to do with them, unless the programme airs directly after a WC match it can be guaranteed a very low audience. RTÉ2 is a basket case without sport, and as more and more view stop watching other programming on the channel even sports have a hard time bring up its audience share.

    The Sean Quinn doc might be interest but if it is just a rehash of his own personal views on what he did it will be a pointless exercise. On RTÉ ONE it should do well.

    But as pointed out both shows are totally out of tune with the problems facing ordinary people.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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    RTE recently had a show about the cost of living with Conor Pope and it was beyond awful. There was a segment where they asked for the cheapest cappuccino in Ireland and they were writing the price on a post it note and sticking it to a whiteboard.

    It was in tune with problems facing ordinary people and it came across like a sketch show run by transition year students.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    You’d find more rigorous and comprehensive analysis of consumer affairs on a CBEEBIES or RTE junior show than anything Conor Pope puts out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly



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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,959 ✭✭✭political analyst


    What the hell is the reason for scheduling the broadcasting of the 'Quinn Country' at such short notice?! What's the rush?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    was it not listed? I am guessing with the WC RTÉ ONE has seen a fall in numbers.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Nevin Parsnipp


    Who in the fugg is this "Tommie O'Gorman" that everybody is rabbitting on about ?

    Only Dude with a name anything close to that was Tommy Gorman recently retired Northern Editor ?

    If you are writing about somebody at least get his fuggin name right ?

    Not too much to arsk ..surely ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Perhaps people are mixing him up with Paddy O'Gorman, not difficult to mix up the 2 names when you think about it.

    Paddy or Tommy or which ever Gorman they are thinking of hiring, it is Tommy, would be an absolute loss for the audience, so far up his rear end he might consider post to an online forum asking people to get his name right at the very least!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,959 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Not in last week's Culture supplement in The Sunday Times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Looks to me like : -

    RTÉ ONE's audiences are massively down, I assume this is the reason for the takeover of schedule of this documentary, a winter WC doesn't help RTÉ really, and they might be worried if audience don't return to them following the WC in December.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,959 ✭✭✭political analyst


    But it was well known for years that the 2022 World Cup would take place in winter. If the documentary had been scheduled in as much advance as any other programme is then it would still get a significant number of viewers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Good job RTE are not losing money hand over fist so they can do this

    RTÉ and union negotiate 6% pay increase phased in over two years (thejournal.ie)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Audience numbers are massively down, you have to remember that Autumn and Winter are the biggest months for TV. Most new programming still premiers around this time of year. Outside of the Toy Show RTÉ this autumn hasn't had any major programme gaining an audience or even critical acclaim.

    The Late Late Show itself is down massively from previous years, Nationwide is still getting the same audience that it ever had yet TLLS drop below it for the first time, Nationwide would be consider just a standard show with an average audience of 250,000 to 300,000 viewers, on the other hand TLLS would expect 350,000 to 400,000 viewers.

    RTÉ next week looks threadbare, if TLLS doesn't get a bounce from The Toy Show where does that leave its stalwart show and channel. I some how doubt a normal episode of TLLS gets anything like 303,000 streams that the Toy Show got, if you go by that a show averaging 300,000 viewers is only getting about 50,000 to 60,000 streams, even then I think you'd be lucky to get those kinds of numbers for TLLS.

    RTÉ should have seen the death of TLLS in 2019. But as I have said before, the sad passing of household names and lockdowns kept the audience somewhat alive, prior to that TLLS audience had had as bad a start to its 2019/2020 season, and that is now being replicated this season.

    This is coupled with the fact that RTÉ cut so much, and did so in such an arbitrary manner, without considering the consequences of such cuts.

    They are so unaware of the problems that resulted in those cuts they though that moving Sports over the RTÉ ONE would improve its audience share, but would have ultimately destroyed RTÉ2. Last month RTÉ2 was beaten to 3rd place by BBC1, and it just came in ahead of VMTV2.

    RTÉ are afraid to look at their own internal problems, thus putting both RTÉ2 and 2FM on life support without any real plan, other than to whine about their public funding for the last decade if not more.

    If you cut programming from RTÉ2 you automatically cut it on the player and the player's own output is basically bottom of the barrel stuff with no real budget given to them, I am not saying such content can't work but you need a bit of imagination... something that RTÉ don't have.

    You would wonder who in RTÉ thought "The Love Experiment" would work as an hour long piece of TV, at best its 22 mins at worst its Blind date dressed up in some quasi-pseudo-academic-psychology-experiment.

    But that is where we are, and unfortunately there aren't enough people aware of it or willing to state it.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,959 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Surely, Fair City must be bringing in plenty of viewers on RTÉ 1.

    As for RTÉ 2, is Home & Away really so much less popular than it was in the 90s? Regarding other exports on that channel, I missed the last season of 'The Americans' because I forgot about it due to it being pushed into a graveyard slot. What's the point of showing imports if there's no consistency about scheduling?!

    As for sport, I've no recollection of seeing so many GAA matches being shown on Saturday nights in autumn and winter on RTÉ 2 before the pandemic.

    What are the internal problems that you say RTÉ isn't dealing with? Are the unions really willing to let the whole broadcaster sink rather than make it more efficient, i.e. all go down together?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Are the unions really willing to let the whole broadcaster sink rather than make it more efficient, i.e. all go down together?!

    The unions know they won't let it sink - win win



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,959 ✭✭✭political analyst


    So they think it's OK to screw ordinary licence-fee payers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,151 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Whilst unions have some good attributes ultimately their subscribers are all that matters

    I hope to god this pay rise does not apply to all those big earners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Wish I could go bankrupt then get what 60m to start up again....



  • Posts: 88 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    3 night vanity piece for Seán from the looks of it and not the hatchet job I was hoping for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    When they showed an old clip from the LLS, with 'sponsored by Quinn Insurance'... kinda knew at that point this was gonna portray him as kind of a 'Robin Hood of business'. I'll give em credit, they cut away from it very quickly, but you'd still catch it.

    It's a shame, kinda sensed it was going that way from the ads.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think, but I have no real evidence, that the Soaps are holding up online, you have to remember most soaps are repeated due to +1 channels, daytime repeats and additional broadcasts on extra channels.

    But they are nothing like where they were in the 1990s (that's near 30 years ago!) Home and Away was getting 300,000 on Network2, with the intro if the lunch time broadcast that has largely died. The only broadcast soaps still retaining their audience is Emmerdale and EastEnders (from the point of view that they were never as large as either Fair City or Coronation Street).

    As for The Americans and other imports, RTÉ2 simply give up on them, fail to even promo them, The Americans could still be available on the RTÉ Player (It's not) and the lack of promotion is clear, though when The Americans first aired on RTÉ2 it was well promoted, nothing is promoted really except for brand and sure what kind of brand does RTÉ have for foreign imports nowadays?

    Internal working practices its seems, RTÉ are still on a 31 week year, how is it that Today only goes out between October and May every year but Ireland AM is 52 weeks a year, Imagine the staffing costs for Today well out pass that of Ireland AM. I can see the difference in quality but do we actually need that from a daytime show?

    Changing the many pay scales in RTÉ. The management is far more at fault than the Unions (but yes it is win-win for the unions), but I would wonder how RTÉ staff feel about their product particularly TV. As I said in the TLLS thread, I can't say anything about the Toy Show because: -

    1. I didn't watch it
    2. Think of the Children
    3. Think of the money raised.

    One RTÉ staff on twitter praised the Toy Show got a relatively benign anti-toy show reply and replied in defense of the show with out much thought.

    Either motivation levels in RTÉ are at an all time low or they are completely unaware of the problems that exist.

    Anyone in RTÉ want to reply as we come towards the end of the year.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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